[Galemp]

Hm, y'know, I'd like to see a sort of halfway point between the concept art and the in-game model. Can you try and interpolate between them for one or two iterations, before you take it any farther?

[Snail]

Ugh, please no...

What's wrong with the high poly Orion?

[colecampbell666]

Too blocky.

[TrashMan]

Which one? the one in the Media VPs?

Dude, the Orion IS blocky. It's supposed to be blocky. It's the esssence of a Orion. Making a smooth, curvy Orion is like making sour sugar.

[colecampbell666]

Which one? the one in the Media VPs?

Dude, the Orion IS blocky. It's supposed to be blocky. It's the esssence of a Orion. Making a smooth, curvy Orion is like making sour sugar.

That's not my opinion, IMO the Orion is the best ship.

[Woolie Wool]

To me, the Orion's entire character comes from being blocky. It's a giant, blunt expression of raw force and power, the GT(V)A's 2.1-kilometer middle finger to all who would oppose them.

The Hercules and Ursa are pretty much the same thing, scaled down.

[Hades]

I think that the orion looks good as it is. It stays true to the original design and looks good.
Trashman when are you going to finish that Colossus?
EDIT:Trashman connect the parts shown in picture together like in concept.

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[Hades]

I'd like to see a super high poly HTL Colossus which is more like the actual one we see.

If someone would/could/can get in touch with Karma we could have the back area.

[asyikarea51]

Just a random thought, say if TrashMan were to add additional turrets, would it still break compatibility if he placed the new turrets at the end of the hierarchy (spelling ftl -_-) tree, instead of putting them together with the default turrets?

Something like the Typhon IIRC, default turrets first, new turrets last, then the new turrets will automatically not work because they don't exist in the table? (Or maybe I haven't been using the HTL Typhon in FRED enough to spot any turret errors.)

Or is the thinking not that easy...?

[blowfish]

Just a random thought, say if TrashMan were to add additional turrets, would it still break compatibility if he placed the new turrets at the end of the hierarchy (spelling ftl -_-) tree, instead of putting them together with the default turrets?

Something like the Typhon IIRC, default turrets first, new turrets last, then the new turrets won't work because they don't exist in the table? (Or maybe I haven't been using the HTL Typhon in FRED enough to spot any turret errors.)

It would work.  The same thing is done with the HTL lucifer.  You can have turrets in the POF that don't exist in the table.  They won't fire anything and won't be targetable (or destroyable) but if someone want to use them in their mod, they can add them to their ships.tbl

[asyikarea51]

Huh? The HTL Lucifer had additional turrets? I didn't know that.

For Inferno R1 or something?

uhh...

[blowfish]

Huh? The HTL Lucifer had additional turrets? I didn't know that.

For Inferno R1 or something?

uhh...

Well, I think they will be used in Inferno SCP.  You can see the turret firing here

EDIT: And the turret not firing here

[Snail]

No those two .pofs are completely different. In INFA there are even two Lucifer versions, one for the FSPort and one for INFSCP compatibility.

[Vasudan Admiral]

I only added those turrets to the lucy because those prong things were on the original cutscene version and most likely where the planet pounder beams were emitted from. HOWEVER - they do not 'look' like turrets the way extra turrets on any potential high poly ship would look. That way a player can't mistake them for active turrets and begin shooting them for ages trying to kill them.

We do NOT like ships having extra turret models - inactive or not. And before anyone says something like 'what if they were disguised as greebles?'. If you're making terran turrets that could be easily mistaken for greebles, that's just bad design.

Bottom line: if you're making a HTL version of an existing ship, don't add extra deactivated turrets unless there's a very good reason for it. Canon ships 'not having enough' is NOT a good reason.

We'll rip off the extra turrets before adding the ship to the MVPs.

Why is anyone even talking about adding turrets to a colossus like ship anyway? Why is 63 not enough?

[TrashMan]

Just a random thought, say if TrashMan were to add additional turrets, would it still break compatibility if he placed the new turrets at the end of the hierarchy (spelling ftl -_-) tree, instead of putting them together with the default turrets?

Something like the Typhon IIRC, default turrets first, new turrets last, then the new turrets will automatically not work because they don't exist in the table? (Or maybe I haven't been using the HTL Typhon in FRED enough to spot any turret errors.)

Or is the thinking not that easy...?

Which reminds me..now that I have the latest verison of PCS2.1, I can try convert the HTL Typhon again (this time with all the debris and lods)

AS to when it will be done - when it's done.

Speaking of extra turrets...doesn't anyone here REALLY think a few extra Terran Turrets would change balance in any noticable way? I mean..those things suck...SUCK. If I added flak or AAAf then I'd say that woudld impact balance significantly...but terran turrets?

[colecampbell666]

One word: canon.

[Snail]

Seriously, TrashMan. I don't see why you have such an urge to add more turrets onto every HTL model you make. Having extra turrets does not make your ship any better.

[S-99]

Having this model in the game as the htl model upgrade to the ugly colossus would be awesome   It looks great and isn't overdone. It looks like how the colossus should be. It now makes me have more pride in the ntf crusher. The extra turrets shouldn't be added, unless for a cutscene or cbani like what he originally said the extra turrets were for.

It would also be nicer to take screenshots of, especially for another appearance of colossus and ganymede (if you guys remember that one).

[TrashMan]

I only added extra turrets on the Orion and Typhon - since they had 15(16) respectively, which is less than  most cruisers.

All added turrets were light turrets (and optional) and in my play trough the balance change was so slight it was practice unnoticable. I actually played a few campaigns with modified tables to include the extra turrets and found the balance to be unaltered - in contrast to some HTL models that are so broken (colission detection, I'm looking at you) that they made half the missions impossible to complete (1 wing vs. Stasis freighter..disarm it - mission impossible!)

I'm actually puzzled by the use of word canon - since HTL ships aren't canon - the added grebling and detail, sometimes even new textures don't correspond to the original - and somehow that's less of a offense that adding a extra turret or two. Artistic license is the name of the game - if balance is perserved.

Be it as it may the turreting will come last so there's time to decide how and what I'll do.

[Snail]

No, seriously. Adding turrets is different from adding details.