It is not either! Didn't you read above? I posted the definition of first-degree murder plainly enough for you to see! Sheesh, what is it with you trying to "reinterpret" absolute things!?
That's not a Bible's definition of murder (actually, I don't recall there being a definition about it in the Bible). Since you're the one arguing for the religious POV, the definitions accepted by government institutions and laws are irrelevant, aren't they?
Going by Christ's own words:
"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
FYI, "Raca" is an Aramaic term of contempt.
Based on that, He's basically saying if you're angry at someone, it's equivocal to murder. Which means that murder and hatred go hand in hand.
Also, in Numbers 35:16-25, it lists conditions for murder and killings other than murder:
" 'If a man strikes someone with an iron object so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall be put to death. Or if anyone has a stone in his hand that could kill, and he strikes someone so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall be put to death. Or if anyone has a wooden object in his hand that could kill, and he hits someone so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall be put to death. The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death; when he meets him, he shall put him to death. If anyone with malice aforethought shoves another or throws something at him intentionally so that he dies or if in hostility he hits him with his fist so that he dies, that person shall be put to death; he is a murderer. The avenger of blood shall put the murderer to death when he meets him.
" 'But if without hostility someone suddenly shoves another or throws something at him unintentionally or, without seeing him, drops a stone on him that could kill him, and he dies, then since he was not his enemy and he did not intend to harm him, the assembly must judge between him and the avenger of blood according to these regulations.
Again, we see that hostility and demonstrated intent is key. It talks about using your fists with "malice aforethought," and in the places it doesn't say "malice aforethought" it makes it very clear that the use of a deadly weapon is required for it to be considered murder. And IDK about you, but I would think someone coming at me with a deadly weapon demonstrates his intent and desire to do me harm. Note, these were laws for day-to-day life in the towns. These were not talking about battle or executions. There are completely different sets of Mosaic laws that talk about that.
Oh, here we go... Show me a SINGLE piece of Scripture that speaks a SINGLE word on Purgatory, and I will freaking find a way to email you a candybar. Buying "Purgatory candles" and burning them to lessen your loved ones' time in Purgatory is rubbish. Paying the Catholic Church for pennance to lessen your time and the time of your loved ones in Purgatory is rubbish. Not knowing the doctrine you claim to believe and the doctrine the church you follow claims to believe is how you, my friend, allow yourself to be lied to and get taken advantage of. When it comes to the Bible, the idea of Purgatory balderdash. Again, 2 Peter 2.
Yeah, I know the concept of purgatory has been removed recently from official Church doctrine. I just put it in to be on the safe side.
That still doesn't prove anything, sorry. My point of an alternate interpretation still stands.
Recently? Dude, the only places in any church literature or whatever that Purgatory has ever been mentioned, as far as I know, are in one of the Apocryphal books, Maccabees I think, it gets a very small mention, and in the Divine Comedy, neither of which had any standing of being Inspired works. Ask your priest to show you any Scriptural evidence of Purgatory. Anyway, if the official Church's stance on Purgatory and the Scriptural pieces regarding it has changed, why bring it up at all? Unless you believe in it. To which I'd ask, on what grounds? On what basis?
Speaking of which, I repeat - CHILL.
I'm discussing this purely because it's an interesting topic to discuss, NOT because I'm trying to prove something or expect a specific result. I'm just bored and this seems like a good way to kill time (not in the modding mood atm). So bring it down a notch.
That makes one of us. Sorry if I sound a little heated. I'm trying my best at staying gently rebuking, but complete and utter misrepresentations of Christianity and Christ by a professing Christian is something that really sets me off. And I am, in fact, trying to correct that. And when you say things like treating people nicely on Earth so they will be miserable in the afterlife, and debating with yourself whether or not killing them or letting them live in prison would get them the worst score in the afterlife shows me that you either don't know much about what you claim to believe, or that you aren't truly a follower of Christ. And if THAT'S the case, I would want to bring that out, because I don't want your words which I mentioned representing my God to the non-Christians of this message board, because they certainly don't.
Just FYI - I myself consider a soldier going into another country and killing the soldiers defending it murder.
As long as you are defending your own and your friends I can understand and say it was self-defense. but as soon as you cross that border you're the attacker and the other guy is a defender. As a soldier you got no buisness invading another country.
That's why I'd be a terrible soldier - I would be to prone to disobeying orders. 
Ok, so what about defending your country across foreign borders? E.G. if they're threatening to attack.
The whole position of the Catholic church on the matter is based on the sanctity of life. You can't just doubt a little bit of the sanctity of life. You either believe it or don't believe it. You can't say "all life is sacred, except for murders, rapists and other people I don't like." That's not a small disagreement with the position of the Vatican. By saying that ANY life isn't sacred you deny the entire position of the church on the matter.
Oh, I do believe all life is sacred.
But we still kill. To eat, to defend or on some other shaky grounds.
Like I said again, don't give me any lectures. You might think you know all there is to know about my religion or what it means to be or how it should be. You don't.
And please, read the last thing I said to G0atmaster in the previous post. It might put some things into perspective.
So basically instead of answering the topic and stating what you believe on the subject, you're arguing multiple sides for the sake of continuing the debate? Do I understand that correctly?
and JD, just curious as to what your response was to my submitting to authorities on more than just capital punishment thing.
