[Admiral_Stones]

Would you like to fly against Shivans who's primaries surpass Kaysers or are on equal level?
I think not.

Shivans are good at ambushes. Even in FS2 they use that tactic a lot. The Rakshasa destroys the Vigilant (Before a Lion at the Door), the Ravana destroys the Lysander (The Great Hunt 2), The Sathanas destroys the Tatenen (The Fog of War), the Sathanas destroys the Psamtik (Straight, no Chaser). All instances of a ship jumping in and vaporizing something before the GTVA knew what hit them.

Other than that though, the FS2 Shivans win by sending wave after wave after wave after wave of craft at the enemy.

You forgot the Phoenicia. Oh well, that wasn't TOO assault-y, but anyway.
Too bad for the Captain of her, she looked nice (The Captain!) .

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Me too, I have always been annoyed by the Shivans firing GTVA bombs at GTVA ships.
Ask Flaming_Sword or IceyJones to make some, they're both very good at making missiles (they even have some already, if i'm correct).

EDIT: Some Shivan ones, I mean.

[Droid803]

The Pheonicia was ordered by command to stand and fight get roasted. It wasn't really and ambush, more like being on the wrong end of the wrong thing at the wrong time, all the while knowing that it is the wrong time to be at the wrong end of the wrong thing.

New models for Shivan missiles and bombs!

[Snail]

Honestly the textures in Inferno were worse than those in Freespace 2 the same way the textures in freespace 2 were worse than the ones in Freespace.

In freespace we had beutifully UV mapped ships like the Fenris. In Freespace 2 it gave way to the Iceni which just had flat textures applied.

In Inferno the textures just don't have the quality (not moderinity, quality) one would hope for.

Hopefully INF:SCP will resolve this.

I vote yes, we should has seperate Shivan bombs that are statistically the same but have different names and models.

Yeah and at the time not a lot of modded ships were retail quality.

Enuff aboot Inferno now pleez.

[Cobra]

It IS pretty damn jarring to see a 32-year old Terran bomb being used by Shivans.

[Droid803]

Except in FS2...they even use cyclops and helios-es.
There's a traitor in the GTVA supplying the Shivans with bombs. 

So...anyone gonna start?
At the very least we have to do something like this:

[Snail]

Hey that's my trademark reskin!

[blowfish]

This is all very well, but as I said, nothing will really work until the FS Upgrade Project guys get involved.

EDIT: Actually maybe not.

[Cobra]

This is all very well, but as I said, nothing will really work until the FS Upgrade Project guys get involved.

Oh please. Just because someone doesn't have an FSU badge doesn't mean they can't do anything good.

[blowfish]

This is all very well, but as I said, nothing will really work until the FS Upgrade Project guys get involved.

Oh please. Just because someone doesn't have an FSU badge doesn't mean they can't do anything good.

I don't mean that.  What I mean is that for this to work properly, it would need to go into the updated MediaVPs missions.  If we want to do it and then bring it to the FSU guys, then we can do that.

[Woolie Wool]

There were some INFR1 ships that were as beautiful as tiled ships could get (Eclipse, Nemesis, Tereus, Alcyone, Scylla, Daimini, Gigas until you got too close) and some that blew (anything Vasudan). The fighters likewise varied wildly in quality between awesome (Chimera, Ophion, Banshee, Alves, Gagana, Jotun) and awful (Imset, Serpent, Vesuvius, Sabus). But I'd like to see you get a better collection of ships from 2002 or older. The Shivan Bombs are above average for retail missiles. They're properly UV mapped and don't quite make your eyes bleed. Are they crude? Yes, but so was every missile before HTL.

[blowfish]

OK I made a table file for shivan versions of the Cyclops and Helios.  Also includes a new trail effect (red).  This includes all modifications made to the cyclops and helios by mediavp tbm files.  I also made the trails a bit wider and longer because I thought it looked cool.  They really do need new (or at least reskinned) models though.

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[Droid803]

Hey that's my trademark reskin!

Yes, and it is awesome. I took the pic off the link on the first page, where you suggested it

OK I made a table file for shivan versions of the Cyclops and Helios.  Also includes a new trail effect (red).  This includes all modifications made to the cyclops and helios by mediavp tbm files.  I also made the trails a bit wider and longer because I thought it looked cool.  They really do need new (or at least reskinned) models though.

Mmm nice. Red trails.

[Kopachris]

OK I made a table file for shivan versions of the Cyclops and Helios.  Also includes a new trail effect (red).  This includes all modifications made to the cyclops and helios by mediavp tbm files.  I also made the trails a bit wider and longer because I thought it looked cool.  They really do need new (or at least reskinned) models though.

Works in the main campaign with no problems, right?  Or else I don't need it.

[blowfish]

OK I made a table file for shivan versions of the Cyclops and Helios.  Also includes a new trail effect (red).  This includes all modifications made to the cyclops and helios by mediavp tbm files.  I also made the trails a bit wider and longer because I thought it looked cool.  They really do need new (or at least reskinned) models though.

Works in the main campaign with no problems, right?  Or else I don't need it.

No.  Every mission that has shivan bombers has to have those bombers' secondary banks changed to "Shivan Bomb" or "Shivan Megabomb".  That's why I was saying this requires the cooperation of FSU.

[Mars]

They already have redone maps in the mediavps. This just needs to be added to those

(when it's done)

EDIT:

I meant missions

[Kie99]

You'd need separate table entries, extra models + maps and redone missions.

[Zacam]

We're potontially already all over it.

No worries. :-)

[Vasudan Admiral]

Meep.


Zacam has done the rest, so these will be the Shivans new weapons in the next VP set.

And a cookie to the anyone who can guess the inspiration for the unusual shape of the cyclops equivillant - the leftmost horseshoe shaped one.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

That's better then I dared dream of. Great job! I especially like the biggest one. Shivan micro-mesonbomb

About the Cyclops equivalent... I've seen something like it before... But I can't remember where...