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Offline Mars

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If you're so worried about animal rights, go take it up with the butcher. I will keep eating meat no matter what nasty pictures you show me (yes, even those pics)

 

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I will keep eating meat no matter what nasty pictures you show me (yes, even those pics)

 :eek:

That would sound horrible if taken out of context.

 

Offline Janos

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A full, healthy, and tasty vegan diet is extremely expensive and time consuming.

Prove me wrong.

No!
You see, it goes like this:

you make this claim
you support it

Now I can just say "nyuh uh it isn't it's quite cheap and simple" and lo and behold, your argument still sucks unless you prove it aahahahahaa
(I'm not a vegetarian)
lol wtf

 

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A full, healthy, and tasty vegan diet is extremely expensive and time consuming.

Prove me wrong.

No!
You see, it goes like this:

you make this claim
you support it

Now I can just say "nyuh uh it isn't it's quite cheap and simple" and lo and behold, your argument still sucks unless you prove it aahahahahaa
(I'm not a vegetarian)

No!
You see, it goes like this:

i make a trolling attempt
i don't waste my time supporting it

Now you can just say "nyuh uh, back your claims up with valid research" and low and behold, my argument is still nothing but a troll attempt with no need for proof aahahahahaa
(I'm not a mod)

Oh, but wait!
http://www.dietsinreview.com/diets/Vegetarian_Diet/
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Offline Mars

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I will keep eating meat no matter what nasty pictures you show me (yes, even those pics)

 :eek:

That would sound horrible if taken out of context.

You obviously have no idea the horrors I had in mind. That doesn't just sound wrong.

  

Offline captain-custard

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Now you can just say "nyuh uh, back your claims up with valid research" and low and behold, my argument is still nothing but a troll attempt with no need for proof aahahahahaa
(I'm not a mod)

Oh, but wait!
http://www.dietsinreview.com/diets/Vegetarian_Diet/


well if you read the article, which is more a dietry advice site than a serious scientific research you see it backs up a large number of points , as for the price thing , I'm sure if you buy your food in a sensible way and don't go for the mass produced vegetarian alternatives the cost is cheaper, as for learning what you need to eat with what for the right carb/protein ratio it will take you about 10 minutes to understand, eating meat is a choice granted but a choice that within our industrialised farming methods has a huge cost both concerning health and taxation issues ( as mentioned in the article , meat production is heavily subsidised), as for your trolling , it was a good try but I'm sure you can do better
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Now you can just say "nyuh uh, back your claims up with valid research" and low and behold, my argument is still nothing but a troll attempt with no need for proof aahahahahaa
(I'm not a mod)

Oh, but wait!
http://www.dietsinreview.com/diets/Vegetarian_Diet/


well if you read the article, which is more a dietry advice site than a serious scientific research you see it backs up a large number of points , as for the price thing , I'm sure if you buy your food in a sensible way and don't go for the mass produced vegetarian alternatives the cost is cheaper, as for learning what you need to eat with what for the right carb/protein ratio it will take you about 10 minutes to understand, eating meat is a choice granted but a choice that within our industrialised farming methods has a huge cost both concerning health and taxation issues ( as mentioned in the article , meat production is heavily subsidised), as for your trolling , it was a good try but I'm sure you can do better


Got a response out of you, didn't I?
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Offline captain-custard

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Now you can just say "nyuh uh, back your claims up with valid research" and low and behold, my argument is still nothing but a troll attempt with no need for proof aahahahahaa
(I'm not a mod)

Oh, but wait!
http://www.dietsinreview.com/diets/Vegetarian_Diet/


well if you read the article, which is more a dietry advice site than a serious scientific research you see it backs up a large number of points , as for the price thing , I'm sure if you buy your food in a sensible way and don't go for the mass produced vegetarian alternatives the cost is cheaper, as for learning what you need to eat with what for the right carb/protein ratio it will take you about 10 minutes to understand, eating meat is a choice granted but a choice that within our industrialised farming methods has a huge cost both concerning health and taxation issues ( as mentioned in the article , meat production is heavily subsidised), as for your trolling , it was a good try but I'm sure you can do better


Got a response out of you, didn't I?



yip ........

 :D
 :p

but only because i was trying to help you "beef" up your trolling skills...
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imagine chili with 15 different kinds of meat
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As I pointed out earlier, a great deal of the dietary requirements we have (for optimum health) cannot be synthesized into an ingestible form.
can some one tell me what the great deal of dietry requirements that you can only get from meat? 

1.  Fully stable protein chains derived from animal muscle which are reincoporated into our muscle systems.
2.  Antibody components which are partially reintegrated into our immune systems and which are used as immune targets to broaden the receptor types for memory T and B cells.
3.  Cytokines, hormones, and other signalling compounds.

Our bodies are very good at incorporating molecules from our diet with minimal modification into functional use, but they have to be similar in the first place.  Plant and fungal material is nowhere near similar enough.  On top of that, we can't digest things like cellulose, whereas other animals can.  Eliminate animals from the food chain and there isn't enough organic material on the planet to feed the population.  Humans, like bears, sit at the high end of the food chain and are incapable of functioning at the lower levels which can eat mainly cellulose-based plant materials.

It is possible with modern technology to live a reasonably healthy life without consuming meat products, but it is extremely difficult and you will always lack the benefits of a diet containing meat.
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Offline Mefustae

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can some one tell me what the great deal of dietry requirements that you can only get from meat? 
Ryan covered mostly everything, but there's one crucial benefit you get out of meat that he left out:

Balls. You don't eat meat, you officially have no balls. Just a heads up.

 
Agreed. :yes:
Besides, vegetarians remind me of the extreme level of decadence and convenience we have already reached - we can afford to survive without meat.
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Offline captain-custard

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Agreed. :yes:
Besides, vegetarians remind me of the extreme level of decadence and convenience we have already reached - we can afford to survive without meat.

mmmm i think the decadence is that we can eat meat as often as we like , the removal from the direct towards an inderect path in the food chain, i think there would be a lot less meat eaten if ppl had to raise ,capture , slaughter and butcher the animal, if we live an extremely active lifestyle that incures high level physcal work and high stress we need only 90 grams of protien a day and thats basically for some one who weighs in at about 80-90kgs,

i dont think there is a middle ground in this arguement, but the one thing is sure we do have the choice and the choice is ours, how we choose to source our protiens be it through fermented beans or through the walmart meat counter or through a road kill...;

i must say i have seen some very good points in this discussion but the level of trolling is still low level to direct and not enough wit......

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Balls. You don't eat meat, you officially have no balls. Just a heads up.

just an example , by the way your mum says hi mefustae
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For every animal vegifreaks don't eat.

I'll eat four.
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Welcome to obesity - Population : You. :p

Although it gives you a handy explanation for why you spent so much on leather items. :D


To be honest I tend to agree with the sentiment. I've never liked the "I'm doing it for the animals" explanation. Without beef the cow would be extinct. It really doesn't have what it takes to survive in the wild after so long domesticated.
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Offline captain-custard

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For every animal vegifreaks don't eat.

I'll eat four.

so its super size me kazan , you keep it up well have to get a bigger box for you to post in....

Welcome to obesity - Population : You. :p

Although it gives you a handy explanation for why you spent so much on leather items. :D


To be honest I tend to agree with the sentiment. I've never liked the "I'm doing it for the animals" explanation. Without beef the cow would be extinct. It really doesn't have what it takes to survive in the wild after so long domesticated.


i agree kara and theres also the fact that tarmac and concrete dont make good dietry subsitutes for cows, but then again indian  city cows seem to get by on there own .... just


well im going to shut up and stop trolling this topic, im off for a burger.......















a veggie one
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mmmm i think the decadence is that we can eat meat as often as we like , the removal from the direct towards an inderect path in the food chain, i think there would be a lot less meat eaten if ppl had to raise ,capture , slaughter and butcher the animal, if we live an extremely active lifestyle that incures high level physcal work and high stress we need only 90 grams of protien a day and thats basically for some one who weighs in at about 80-90kgs,




Actually, more meat would probably be eaten.  People who raise, and slaughter and butcher the animals eat more meat, plus there would be less vegetarians be because the would be used to it.


also you can't spell slaughtering animals without animals laughing
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i never said i would eat it all myself :D
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To be honest I tend to agree with the sentiment. I've never liked the "I'm doing it for the animals" explanation. Without beef the cow would be extinct. It really doesn't have what it takes to survive in the wild after so long domesticated.

No matter what way you choose to feed yourself, commute to work, or build shelter for yourself, a lot of animals (and a few humans) are going to get killed in the process. For example, it's been argued that more rodents die from agricultural harvesting than there are livestock killed in slaughterhouses. There is really no such thing as "sustainable development" or magical "green" technology- those are only relative terms. All we can do is minimize.

As it is now, the worst abuses have been outlawed, but the law is inconsistently applied. In America, for example, the Animal Welfare Act only protects research subjects. As happens in most other cases, industry is placed before science, and what goes in the farms is loosely regulated. Note that many European countries have taken solid steps toward making the situation better; in the US, the situation hasn't changed much. "We", after all, are the only developed country that happily ingests recombinant bovine growth hormone along with our burgers.

It is possible to raise livestock humanely and sustainably (again, relatively speaking). It's the deliberate ignorance of the many that allows what abuses still take place to go unnoticed.

As some have mentioned before in this thread, I could deluge you with disturbing tales of the psychology used to induce rape behavior in cattle, or give you an idea of what it's like to be contained in a five by ten foot box your entire life. But if you want to know, you can easily find out yourself. There are plenty of legitimate sources available, even the American FDA.

Again, the worst offenses have been effectively outlawed in the developed world. But many people deliberately remain ignorant about the work that still needs to be done.