[Hellstryker]

Now correct me if im wrong, this thing was either prometheus sized and white or yellow inside with a blue glow surrounding it. The current one looks something like a vasudan laser! cmon can't you do better than this?

[CP5670]

I have complained about this and the Maxim more times than I can remember. They frankly look like crap, especially compared to all the other weapons. Hopefully the final 3.6.10 package will at least have them reverted to the retail versions.

[Hellstryker]

If it doesn't ill make em myself and upload the table info here...
Edit: Whats the big deal with the maxim? the prometheus is uglier..

[CP5670]

Just look at it and compare it to the original. The original one fired massive, elongated blue projectiles that often took up a good chunk of the screen when firing, while the new one shoots these sad little BBs that are barely visible. It looks just like that effect you used to get in retail FS2 if you tried to fire beams from a fighter. I still think that this is a bug and the Maxim was never intended to look like this, but these weapons have been this way for so long (at least three years now) that many people have probably forgotten what the original ones were like and think this is normal.

In the past, I resorted to using a modified tbm with only these two effects removed, but the 3.6.10 package will be used in multiplayer and this will no longer be possible there.

The Prometheus guns look okay to me, although the glow effects should be a bit larger to match the originals.

[asyikarea51]

I thought the MediaVPs Maxim was okay. For a "ballistic" weapon, blue colour just doesn't look right to me... one white dot for the bullet and a near-invisible glow effect that acts as a muzzleflash of sorts... and I hardly use the Circe and the Lamprey anyway (but I'm fine with the effects as they are. )

No quibbles with the Prometheus guns...

[CP5670]

It's not ballistic, but just feels like it. The game describes it as "by definition an energy weapon." Anyway, the new version is still blue if you can actually see it. The Maxim was easily the coolest player-allowed weapon in FS2, just in terms of the graphics and sound effects, but the media VP version looks like some wimpy pea shooter. The same applies to the Circe.

The weapons shouldn't deviate this much from the originals in any case. They're supposed to be improved versions, not entirely new concepts. (and the others do follow this rule very well)

[Hellstryker]

Could you post a screenshot of the original circe and maxim here to jog some people memories?

[castor]

Some ships lab shots below.

MVP Maxim (dunno why it looks even worse than in game):


MVP Circe (the animation is kinda cool. Too bad it's practically invisible in-game):


Retail Maxim:


Retail Circe:

[Mobius]

The difference is considerable...

...no doubt the MVPs succeded, overall, in covering the presence of not-that-good Circe and Maxim textures

[CP5670]

Could you post a screenshot of the original circe and maxim here to jog some people memories?

It's hard to see the full extent of the difference in screenshots, especially from the lab. It has to be seen in motion at the angle they come out of your ship. The best thing is to make a blank mission and compare for yourself.

MVP Maxim (dunno why it looks even worse than in game):

I think it only shows the first frame of the animation in the lab, which is blank for the Maxim effect. Although it doesn't look much better in the game.

MVP Circe (the animation is kinda cool. Too bad it's practically invisible in-game):

The animation is good, but it doesn't look like the Circe at all. It would be more appropriate for the Lamprey.

[Mars]

I really wish either of these weapons was actually effective.

(Although a circle maxim combo is good for shivan bombers)

[castor]

MVP Maxim (dunno why it looks even worse than in game):

I think it only shows the first frame of the animation in the lab, which is blank for the Maxim effect. Although it doesn't look much better in the game.

Yea, I guess you're right, I didn't even realize it was animated
As for the Circe, It looks to me like it would serve well as a Morning Star effect, as it is now.

[TrashMan]

I got no problem with either gun.

[S-99]

Maxim is a ballistic weapon. The way it looks when you shoot it sort of fits that. Just a high powered fast moving stream of uranium slugs. Just that the visual affects for it currently in the mvp's make it seem like tiny fighter mounted smg. The effect would look nicer if it were looking like say a high caliber automatic machine gun firing at night, and also if the projectiles don't look like BB's as well.

[Gregster2k]

Maybe this is one case where we should just let Volition's effects stay. 

[asyikarea51]

Don't know about that... I fear it'll all break down to a difference of opinion...

I do like the size of the retail Maxim rounds though, big and bad, if only for a while, then the blue colour ends up looking really weird to me... but I think that increasing the size of the MediaVPs ones might not be the solution to the problem (at least for my picky self anyway, pardon me ).

Oh well...

...no doubt the MVPs succeded, overall, in covering the presence of not-that-good Circe and Maxim textures

Half a mind to agree...

[DaBrain]

Ok ok... I'll work on the Circe...


I've already worked on the Maxim.

[Vasudan Admiral]

Bah, I was just in the process of telling them how you've already awesomeified the maxim.

[Hellstryker]

Ok ok... I'll work on the Circe...


I've already worked on the Maxim.

You should add ring trails like the railgun in INFA

[asyikarea51]

Those blue rounds remind me of the Underworld-style gun skins for CS Source...