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Re: Rants about the Circe
Ah, so the base particle (not the rings) IS meant to be a mass driver (machine gun)
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The original TVWP machine gun bullet is yellow, I changed it to blue to reflect a electrodynamic (railgun or coilgun) weapon.
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Re: Rants about the Circe
That makes perfect sense, because everyone knows caseless uranium slugs are BLUE!

 

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Maybe they're blue tracers! On every single round!

 

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That makes perfect sense, because everyone knows caseless uranium slugs are BLUE!

Yes, and everyone knows that fighters run on an inexhaustible supply of magical pixie dust™ and that laz0rz are visible and slow and that massive beamz of death come out of tiny holes in the hull of a ship...

 

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Re: Rants about the Circe
That makes perfect sense, because everyone knows caseless uranium slugs are BLUE!

Yes, and everyone knows that fighters run on an inexhaustible supply of magical pixie dust™ and that laz0rz are visible and slow and that massive beamz of death come out of tiny holes in the hull of a ship...


Or in the Hecate's and Colly's cases, giant holes discs!
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Re: Rants about the Circe
Somehow ML-16 Lasers travel at less than the speed of light, too, but we'd have to turn the ML-16 into a beam cannon if we really wanted to fix that. That would be rather interesting in FSPort... :P

Correct me if I'm wrong but can't we just design new weapon effects as individual packs to be dropped into the FS2 folders so that we let the user have control (by picking and choosing individual weapon themes) over what their FS2 looks like, without delving into VP modification tools?
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Re: Rants about the Circe
The unfailable beam: a laser firing 100 rounds+ per second, fast speed, 100% or near accurate.
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Re: Rants about the Circe
The ml-16 shooting really fast would make a really cool fighter mounted streaming that could be considered a beam. Since ml-16 is only good against hulls. It'd still be fun to use against cruiser and shield damaged fighters.
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Re: Rants about the Circe
Cardinal Spear's Neutron Flux Cannon is a lot like that. You should try it.
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Re: Rants about the Circe
I tried that one. It's like shooting the lasers on the E-Wing in rapid fire mode in Rogue Squadron 3D, except they just run you out of juice fast rather than overheading. I think just for the hell of it once I tried redirecting all my energy to the guns and that weapon STILL sapped the gun energy dry within a few seconds.
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Re: Rants about the Circe
That makes perfect sense, because everyone knows caseless uranium slugs are BLUE!

Well, the Maxim was blue, so blue must be associated with that kind of weapon in FS.

Besides yellow looks too normal, and too much like the Avenger.
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Re: Rants about the Circe
I've had an idea about the maxim.
First the fluff


Ammunition supplied weapons are dangerous in a space fight as a stray shot can cause the ammunition to explode destroying the fighter when otherwise it's armour and multiple-redundant systems would have allowed it to survive. The avenger avoided this by having a long ammunition feed belt from stores in the core of the fight, but fighters then had to have the space for these even when purely armed with energy weapons. The Maxim takes a new approach to this by using a highly stable propellant block which will only explode when a large amount of electricity is arced through it (this is what causes the energy drain). Apart from it's very distinctive size and shape, the maxim shell looks like a standard APDS round (remember, the maxim is a smoothbore cannon). the firring operation is as follows:
shell is pushed from ammunition hopper into firing chamber.
An electric arc is struck from the shell to the rear of the gun barrell causing the propellant to react and produce the pressure to accelerate the shell along the barrel of the gun.
the electric arc conitues to be struck across the propellant block as the amount of gas produced is very high and so if the block all reacted to start with the breech would be blown off th gun.
Projectile emerges from front of barrel at high velocity, friction with the bore having cased the Sabots to start vapourising.

When the projectile hits the target it's kinetic energy combined with careful desing of the armour peircing cap allow for more damage the would be expected from just impact with the relatively slow projectile.




OK for what the projectile would look like.
The armour-piercing core is a complex-shaped, multi-alloy spike, around 10cm long and 2 in diemeter, with 2 sabots, one near the tip, and the other at the base (this would, before firing be in contact with the propellant block).
In-game this would apear as a darkgrey dark with two glowing blue bands around it (the glow is due to the high temperature in the sabots). If a more complex effect is desired, there could be particles coming off the sabots as they disintegrate, or a glowing (white or red) base to the dart where the arc was struck from. finally, the ultimae variant would be animated with the animate times to last the liftime of the projectile and slowly showing the sabots disappearing as they disintegrate and boil off, and the glowing base cool.

  
Re: Rants about the Circe
Meh, my complaint about the Maxim is pretty simple. It's called the "Freespace Upgrade" project not the "FreeSpace Change the Effect to what I think it should look like instead" project. New effects should be largely revamps of the the original, not something else entirely.

 

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And this is an upgrade OMG :eek: It actually looks like the maxim puts out projectiles now :eek: And this actually fits the maxim tech description too :eek: It is similarly colored to the old one :eek: (the original was more white)

Old maxim looked like a ****ty low quality laser which didn't fit the tech description. The visuals for the original maxim were very uninspired for a very V creatively inspired idea of the maxim.

In this case getting a completely different affect is understandable. The original maxim affect was ****, so is the one currently in the mvp's that currently replaces the original affect. This one needs to get put in. :yes:
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Re: Rants about the Circe
And this is an upgrade OMG :eek: It actually looks like the maxim puts out projectiles now :eek: And this actually fits the maxim tech description too :eek: It is similarly colored to the old one :eek: (the original was more white)

Old maxim looked like a ****ty low quality laser which didn't fit the tech description. The visuals for the original maxim were very uninspired for a very V creatively inspired idea of the maxim.

In this case getting a completely different affect is understandable. The original maxim affect was ****, so is the one currently in the mvp's that currently replaces the original affect. This one needs to get put in. :yes:

        Whether you liked the old Maxim's effects or not it's what volition put in the game. I don't know if the FSU project maxim has been upgraded since what I last saw, but the last thing I did see was some dinky blue or white little bullet coming out of my plane. Basically something which looked nothing like the old effect whatsoever. The old effect, might've looked like a "****ty laser" to some but for my part it was a huge glowing blast of destruction which rocked my plane with every round I fired.

         The Mentu doesn't fit the tech description either, but was the ship table changed to include Beams as default?? NO.

 

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Re: Rants about the Circe
Well, V still didn't do a good job making the original affects for the maxim while the idea for the maxim was great. Now other weapons in the game are getting an overhaul as well. Shivan bombs and shivan flak to name a few. Because shivan bombs should look like shivan bombs and not the same damn cyclops torpedoes that terrans use. And shivan flak projectiles and perhaps even flak explosions shouldn't look the same as TV flak. Making the maxim less ****ty is part of the same bandwagon getting rid of inconsistencies :yes:

You're mentu example is a big cop out. The mentu doesn't fit it's tech description like the maxim doesn't fit it's own. They just don't fit their tech descriptions in different ways. The mentu has no anticap beams while the original maxim looks like a ****ing laser gun. The mentu problem can't be fixed, someone would have to add beam turrets onto a mentu. This would be worthless as those beam turrets would never get used, as well as pointless.

The maxim affect can be fixed and is not worthless or pointless.

The old effect, might've looked like a "****ty laser" to some but for my part it was a huge glowing blast of destruction which rocked my plane with every round I fired.

Don't use the mvp's or realize the similarities from this maxim upgrade to the original. I've already pointed out a bunch of those in my last post. The last thing is try using the new affect. The creator of it says it looks massively cooler in gameplay as opposed to a projectile screenshot where it is spitting out a huge glowing blast of destruction which still rocks your fighter (again look for similarites, it's not wierd for me to point them out, but it's wierd when you point out similarities that the old and new affects have in common....in fact we both know they have a lot in common...i thought you didn't like this new affect, but clearly you do :yes:).
« Last Edit: June 09, 2008, 01:38:24 am by S-99 »
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Re: Rants about the Circe
     We talking about the same effect here???
     Screen attached, of the old in the bottom corner and the new BB gun Maxim front and centre. Though oddly enough I don't remember the Maxim being jagged like that at all . . .

EDIT - oops, can't really see the new worth **** but it's basically just some little BB pellet with some whiteish haze around it. Wholly unsatisfying to fire for me at least.

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When you mean old? Do you mean the retail maxim affect? And when you mean new do you mean the new affect without the rings that was made in this thread?
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Re: Rants about the Circe
IMO the old effect was better... :wtf:

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