[Jeff Vader]

Have you (forgive the mental image) tried coming up behind a Sobek on hard?

I humbly thank you for this. I will forever be unable to get that image out of my head.

But yeah. That Sobek is one hell of a ***** if you try to take it on from behind.

[Hades]

Have you (forgive the mental image) tried coming up behind a Sobek on hard?

I humbly thank you for this. I will forever be unable to get that image out of my head.

But yeah. That Sobek is one hell of a ***** if you try to take it on from behind.

Or from the top; it would be better to attack it from below.

[Colonol Dekker]

In an ideal world yes, but sometimes it's just more convenient, Ie it could be parked over an installation, Or it could be "do-waypoints-annoyingly_placed_path" in such a way that's its flank is always pointing at your fore......


In any case it's nice to "what if?" once in a while.

[AlphaOne]

i still do not understand why ppl object to my description of the Deimos and the Sobek . I mean however you look at it the Sobek was clearly not designed to handle all the stuff a Deimos can handle which is loads of shivan fighters and bommbers . It can do that there is no doubht about it but the Deimos can do that a little better. However if i had to chose in an offensive battle a ship with which to engage head on enemy warships especialy loads of cruisers i would take the Sobek as oposed to the Deimos. I would take both of them for that matter but that is another thing.

I mean the Sobek can do more dammage from its beam then the Deimos can with its lame slasher beams. I believe the Sobek is armed with 2 Svas which are supperiro to shlashers no questions here.

In fact the only other cruiser that can pose a threat to the Sobek is the Lilith but that thing is well..its a thing appart.

The Deimos on the other hand is a fighter/bommber meat grinder much more so then the Sobek.

[Snail]

Wrong you are.

The Sobek is armed with VSlash beams.

[AlphaOne]

youre kidding me? Are you sure? I could of bet that those were Svas . Damn then how the hell is it so effective in a frontal assoult role??? Are terrans slashers that weak compared to theyr vasudan counterparts???

[blowfish]

VSlashers are much stronger than TerSlash beams (approximately 2.14 times as powerful).  The Sobek mounts VSlashers by default.

[AlphaOne]

Damn never actualy did the math for those beams. Hell if that is the case then just arm every ships that has terslasher beams with Vslasher beams and get it over with. I mean with such beams even the DEimos could be a threat to almost anithing out there. Sure its a threat now but it would be so much so with vasudan beams.

[blowfish]

Keep in mind that the Deimos mounts 4 TerSlashers, while the Sobek only mounts 2 VSlash.

[AlphaOne]

Yeah but the Deimos cant fire all 4 beam cannons at a single target it can only bring to bear 2 of them so that pretty much equal the odds .

[blowfish]

So its firepower is more spread out.  Still almost equivalent to that of the Sobek.  And I bet a Deimos could bring all of its beams to bear on a large target above and in front of it (haven't tested this though).

[Droid803]

It can't. You can calculate it using the FOV's for the turrets. there's no way it can have all four onto one target.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Damn never actualy did the math for those beams. Hell if that is the case then just arm every ships that has terslasher beams with Vslasher beams and get it over with. I mean with such beams even the DEimos could be a threat to almost anithing out there. Sure its a threat now but it would be so much so with vasudan beams.

Hell why not throw LRBGreens on everything, the Colossus has those so why not everything else? The Hippocrates would be so kickass with a LRBGReen.

[Droid803]

A Deimos mounting VSlash is a whole lot more believable than a Hippocrates mounting an LRBGreen.
First, the Deimos has a Vasudan reactor. I would believe Vasudan weapons function on Vasudan reactors.
Secondly, the Deimos is stated to output more power than any ship its size, the Sobek included. Therefore, it shouldn't be impossible to mount at least a pair VSlash, since that is what the Sobek mounts.

The Hippocrates mounting an LRBGreen makes no sense, since first, its a medical ship, not a Monitor, and I doubt its reactor provides enough power to operate a beam of that magnitude. (Of course, you can FRED it, but that doesn't mean anything. I can FRED a Watchdog with a BFRED).

[Killer Whale]

I can mod and fred an azreal to a billion hitpoints and fire beams that can destroy a juggernaut per second for an hour, doesn't mean anything. It's got a shivan reactor, doesn't mean it can PWN everything.

[Akalabeth Angel]

A Deimos mounting VSlash is a whole lot more believable than a Hippocrates mounting an LRBGreen.
First, the Deimos has a Vasudan reactor. I would believe Vasudan weapons function on Vasudan reactors.
Secondly, the Deimos is stated to output more power than any ship its size, the Sobek included. Therefore, it shouldn't be impossible to mount at least a pair VSlash, since that is what the Sobek mounts.

The Hippocrates mounting an LRBGreen makes no sense, since first, its a medical ship, not a Monitor, and I doubt its reactor provides enough power to operate a beam of that magnitude. (Of course, you can FRED it, but that doesn't mean anything. I can FRED a Watchdog with a BFRED).

     The Deimos with Vasudan weapons makes as much sense as a hippocrates with a LRBGreen.
     The Deimos is a terran ship, therefore it mounts terran weapons. Is there a precedence for terran ships with vasudan weapons or vasudan ships with terran weapons? No. There are no ships which have weapons from the other side. So why would the Deimos and the VSlash be any different? And just because it's got a bigger reactor doesn't mean it can mount more guns than it's got. Would the designers make a ship with surplus power??? No. So no, you can't get two VSlash on there.
     And people might say "oh, well if the vasudans got better weapons then the terrans should use them." But who's to say they would? In world war 2 the British developed a great anti-tank gun in the 17pdr, but did the Americans use it? No. They look at it, tried to copy it to some degree perhaps, and then made their own guns. Just because the VSlash is a better weapon than the Terran slash doesnt mean that the Terrans will or could use it.

    If a person takes a deimos and throws VSlash on it then you're not playing Freespace you're playing "I took some ships and gave them some cooler guns, I told you this ship roxxors!".


    And for the record, not all Deimos Corvettes are armed with just 4 TerSlash beams. The Corvette in the mission where the Colossus is introduced is mounting a SGreen or something similar on one of it's ventral turrets. (And no, this doesnt give precendence for mounting Vasudan weapons on terran ships).

[Zoltan]

     vasudan ships with terran weapons? No.

Seriously, you fail at life. Every, I repeat every, Vasudan capital ship mounts Terran weaponry.

[Akalabeth Angel]

     vasudan ships with terran weapons? No.

Seriously, you fail at life. Every, I repeat every, Vasudan capital ship mounts Terran weaponry.

    Oh you mean stupid terran turrets and terran huge turrets? They don't really count.
    If you didn't look at the table file would you know they were terranturret and terran huge? No, you'd think it was "little yellow blob" and "big green blob" and that's it. So really, what terran guns are you talking about?

    As for flak and triple AAAf, who's to say who developed it. Unless there's something in the briefing to say otherwise.



Oh, and speaking of tables:

Deimos-class corvettes, such as the GTCv Actium, have proven one of the most worthwhile additions to the Terran fleet. These sleek, ultra-modern warships are the first products of a new era of ship design, maximising manoeuvrability and firepower.

            See that, Deimos "maximising firepower". Not "having lots of firepower, but there's still room for more if the Terran designers used VSlash instead."

[Zoltan]

     vasudan ships with terran weapons? No.

Seriously, you fail at life. Every, I repeat every, Vasudan capital ship mounts Terran weaponry.

    Oh you mean stupid terran turrets and terran huge turrets? They don't really count.
    If you didn't look at the table file would you know they were terranturret and terran huge? No, you'd think it was "little yellow blob" and "big green blob" and that's it. So really, what terran guns are you talking about?

    As for flak and triple AAAf, who's to say who developed it. Unless there's something in the briefing to say otherwise.

Again, another terrible argument. Without going into the tables what would explicitly tell you that the VSlash is Vasudan? And once you did look, since according to you "Terran" means nothing then "V" must mean nothing as well.

Also, I just cannot understand why you think that replacing Terran weaponry with the equivalent (or less as some proposed) Vasudan weaponry on a ship where one of the major components is already of Vasudan design is as unreasonable as mounting the most powerful ship mounted GTVA weapon on a medical vessel...

In reply to your "maximising firepower" argument, have you ever played "A Game of TAG"?

[Akalabeth Angel]

Again, another terrible argument. Without going into the tables what would explicitly tell you that the VSlash is Vasudan? And once you did look, since according to you "Terran" means nothing then "V" must mean nothing as well.

     UM, Becuase it's YELLOW. And all beams from Vasudan ships are YELLOW. And all beams from Terran ships are GREEN. Just as all ships from Shivan ships are RED? Really, did you even play the game? This stuff is thematic and plain common sense. If someone's playing FS2 for the first time and late in the campaign a terran ships fires a yellow beam, they're going to think "someone ****ed up, it should be firing a green beam."

Also, I just cannot understand why you think that replacing Terran weaponry with the equivalent (or less as some proposed) Vasudan weaponry on a ship where one of the major components is already of Vasudan design is as unreasonable as mounting the most powerful ship mounted GTVA weapon on a medical vessel...

     Super powerful weapons on Medical Frigates = Wrong
     Vasudan Weapons on Terran ships = Wrong
     Wrong = Wrong

     Now if someone wants to design some fancy new ship and say it's a hybrid design that mounts Vasudan weapons be my guest.
     But from a purely in-game perspective, vasudan fires yellow, terran fires green and shivans fire red. And anything contrary to that is wrong as established by the entire 30 missions of the CANON FS2 campaign.