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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
The Lilith is rare. They have at least 10 Cains for every Lilith. Heck, in FS2 we encountered 80 Saths but we only get to see 1 Lilith (yes, I know there must have been more, but it can't have been that much).
I'm more worried about the Ravana (according to the Tech Room, it seems to be tasked with clearing out smaller foes), but with an AWACS you can detect them and get away in time, I think.

I love the idea of a pocket-sized fleet. I was thinking about it yesterday when I saw The Alamo. They could have done better with hit-and-run strikes IMHO.

 

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Let's NOT have another 13-page Lilith argument please :P

Actually, with a AWACs, you can tell its jumping in (very soon - like...now), but that's too late. If it comes in behind, it still has enough time to roast a cruiser or two's rear end before they jump out. Shivans almost always jump into beam range, and basically open fire right as they emerge from subspace. Its what their ships are best at doing. Ever wonder why everything points forward (except for the SD Demon, that one's a weirdo)

That would actually be a good strategy for a pocket-sized fleet to copy. Jump in, roast something, scram! The fighter carriers would be made for this too - the fighters (a wing or two) would simply detatch after coming out of a node and get right into the action. They can just inter-system jump out. It would probably be cheaper than mounting inter-system jump drives as the carrier can pick up the fighters and service them later, away from the battle. The strike carrier would be like a Moloch - a few beams, decent armor, but not that strong. Good for jumping in, deploying fighters, providing fire support, then jumping out. Then, you would not need to commit an expensive destroyer deep into enemy territory to be able to service fightercraft.
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  • 2 Moloch-like carriers
  • 1 or 2 ships for anti-capship (Sobek, Iceni)
  • some cruisers for escort
It would make a nice SOC fleet to operate behind Shivan lines, break their supply chains etc. (Campaign idea)
Any comments or suggestions?

 

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Heres a sugestion. Tell us when its done in lets say 2 months tops from now . This is also a sugestion for the amoun of time you are alowed to keep us waiting :D :P

The Moloch sucks as a corvette and as a carrier. That thing has like what 3 or 4 fighters or bommbers on board?? Useless. No you would need a carrier that can actualy do what its name sugest and that is carry a small amoun of fighters and bommbers fast and safe to any point on the battlefield or whatever.

50 spacecrafts 2 or 3 beams medium one at best. Loads of aaaf defences. It has to be fast agile and must be able to jump out in an instant. (Dula jumdrive sistem or something) .

Escorts...well the Iceni is only what 100 m larger the a Deimos? So its not that big compared in fact the diference is neglijable. Have aelous and/or Deimos for aditional fighter andticap ship support and you have a very fast agile taskforce adept at taking out bot juggs and shivan fleet elements. In fact if used properly such a fleet could take out a couple of Ravana before they even know what hit them.
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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
How do we know the Moloch carries only 3-4 wings?
For all we know it could have even 30 fighters and bombers on board...
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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
The Moloch sucks as a corvette and as a carrier. That thing has like what 3 or 4 fighters or bommbers on board?? Useless. No you would need a carrier that can actualy do what its name sugest and that is carry a small amoun of fighters and bommbers fast and safe to any point on the battlefield or whatever.

50 spacecrafts 2 or 3 beams medium one at best. Loads of aaaf defences. It has to be fast agile and must be able to jump out in an instant. (Dula jumdrive sistem or something) .

The carrying capacity of a Moloch is unknown. The whole rear portion is likely hangar bay space, though. It should be able to house a full squadron of Maras, and even more Dragons. When paired, that's two to three squadrons of fighters. Enough to make a Destroyer nervous. It is decently armed for its role - to carry small detachments of fighters into enemy territory, and be able stand a fighting chance against a cruiser or two. Its not meant to take on a Corvette or Destroyer. That's for the other ships, like the SC Lilith or SC Rakshasa, which demonstrate excellent anti-warship power for their size.

If the same strategy were to be adopted for the SOC, then the pocket carriers would serve the same purpose. Leave the heavy duty work to the Sobeks/Icenis. Leave the anti-fighter role to the Aeolus. The mini carrier is there to add fighters and a few extra guns in the fray, which is often what tips tables.
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The SCv Moloch is ridiculously small for a housing of some 30 spacecrafts. I mean come on an Erynies is what bigger then the middle section of the ship. Unless they can magicly fit 30 of them things in there ...especialy bommbers like the big ass one thats the size of a cruiser almost. And just as manouverable. You know..the ones that are a pain to kill because of the huge armor and shields.
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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Two squadrons worth of Dragons (24) would fit no problem if you stack them up right. You have to realize SF Dragons and SF Maras are really thin and small, and that Erinyes are much bigger.
I agree that it should only be able to hold a wing of Seraphims at most, though.
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Don't forget...even if it can fit fighters in the back (along with engines and armor) a ship like the Seraphim would not physically fit out of the fighter bay door.

 
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But there is the Taurvi. Flat, so easily stacked, and a decent bomber.

 

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Don't forget...even if it can fit fighters in the back (along with engines and armor) a ship like the Seraphim would not physically fit out of the fighter bay door.

Negative. I've had Seraphims launch from a Moloch before. Came out fine, one-at-a-time.

But there is the Taurvi. Flat, so easily stacked, and a decent bomber.

Ah yes, those. they're neither fast nor well armored, but they're compact, meaning you can cram more of them into small spaces. :P
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Well either way having a ship like the SCv Moloch is not my favorite thing in the world . I kinda hate it. It's kinda ugly. I prefer something either GTVA or GT or GV . Also is 40m/s an exagerated speed for a large sip larger then a corvette?
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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
I don't see how you can claim that the Moloch is able to carry so many spacecraft. By looking at the design you can easily notice that the fighterbay itself is very small. There are turrets(including a beam cannon) and engines near it, keep this in mind...I don't think there can be so many spacecraft...

 

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Yep i agree with that :) cannon and the like aren't just surface deep. You need power couplings and control conduits, access hallways <inserts more references>
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