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Offline Roanoke

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
For years I tried to make a ship, about the size of a very large bomber, that could ferry a Fighter Wing (say, 4 Herc2s) through a jump-node. I figured about half a dozen would make a credible expeditionary force prior to the arrival of Cruisers and Corvettes.

Something roughly the same shape as the Carry-All from C&C Tib.Sun. I could never get a shape I was happy with though.  :doubt:

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Offline karajorma

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Well i remember i saw this link about the new monitor class vessels which do not seem al that slow but in fact very agile and reasonably fast with deadly combinations of weapons.

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Offline AlphaOne

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Agreed 100% :P So i made a booboo :P

But anyhoo i was thinking of something along the lines of a Whistar tipe of monitor ship since that comes the closest except for its unparalelled speed.

Something of equall value and power should exist in FS for the GTVA since the shivans have enough ships to threaten anithing the GTVA throws at them.

Something a bit smaller then a cruiser pointless to sugest it has to be faster then any GTVA cruiser by a fair amount . And it has to pack a combo of powerfull weapons to threaten cruisers and even corvettes to some degree. sure one ship alone wont be enough to acomplush this but imagine a pack of them unleashing against a cruiser corvette even destroyer sized warships.


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Offline starlord

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
But what would cruisers DO then? :P you're suggesting to replace them with a new class.

 

Offline AlphaOne

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Welll yeah make cruisers into larger more powerfull battlecruisers and make these fast(er) then cruiser ships. Keep in mind that one such vessel would be a threat to cruisers but that does not guarantee that it will win just that it will do enough damage to pose a threat . That is whi a pack of them would be neede to efectively cancel out the enmies larger more powerfull ships. However im not sugesting such ships should be as available as fighters and bommbers. Hell no . That would be ridiculous .


GTCaFury was the name of the ship i had in mind regarding a smaller agile carrier tipe vessel . However it is a bit too big for mi taste and i believe it could be toned down a bit in terms of beam cannons capabilaties just 2 beam cannons MGreen ones . but more aaaf defences.


Remember such a ship in fact any dedicated carrier has to be a terror to enemy fighters and bommbers but has to be terrified of enemy capships. Asuming any of them get close enough to it.
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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
But what would cruisers DO then? :P you're suggesting to replace them with a new class.

Weren't corvettes meant to replace cruisers?
If so, monitors would be welcome, IF there is a nice couple wings of fighters to protect them (I'm assuming they will be miniature Liliths with terran/vasudan weapons and less anti-bomber guns).
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Offline karajorma

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
But anyhoo i was thinking of something along the lines of a Whistar tipe of monitor ship since that comes the closest except for its unparalelled speed.

You're describing a gunship not a monitor. Stop calling it that.:p
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Offline starlord

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Also, IMO corvettes were meant to fill a gap between cruisers and destroyers, NOT to replace cruisers.

Several situations will favour the aeolus rather than the deimos (fighter supression).

 

Offline Roanoke

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Nope. Corvettes were to be the mainstay as Cruisers were withdrawn. Mentioned in a couple of cut-scenes, IIRC.

 

Offline starlord

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Why did they devellop the aeolus then?

 

Offline Vip

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Wasn't the Aeolus cancelled ? :P Maybe they decided that cruisers like Aeolus are too expensive for the cost/effect ratio they offered and decided to put more emphasis on 'vettes ? As the GTVA just can't afford to deploy a quadrillion ships to counter the SHivan advance, they probably decided on a more multi-role vessels, capable of both anti-fighter and anti-capship combat - behold the corvettes.
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
If we take a look at the Tech Room descriptions and apply some logical deduction (or is it induction? Black hell, our language has only one word for it), it is obvious that the Fenris and the Leviathan are both old cruiser designs. At some point, the Aeolus was designed and several were constructed. Production of the Aeolus class ended in 2365. The Deimoseseses (****ing plurals...) were meant as the foundation of the future fleet, with the Fenris and Leviathan being phased out.

So, I'd take it that the older cruisers are slowly being replaced by corvettes and the Aeoluses remain in service as long as they remain intact, but no new ones will be built. Right?
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Offline Vip

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
That would seem correct. Of course now, after the Capella going bye-bye and a large part of the GTVA Fleet being wrecked (or so we are led to believe) I somehow can't see phasing out the old designs in the nearest future. But yeah, they will probably concentrate on the 'vettes and/or learn a lesson from the Shivans and perhaps develop their own version of Liliths AKA Mjolnirs-with-engines-and-more-armour - so that a group of such ships could realtively quickly engage and damage/cripple/destroy a Sathanas. I believe that most of the research power of the GTVA would now go for a)stopping a Sathanas fleet and b) re-establish contact with Sol.

And that would be deduction, Lobo ;)
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Cheers. I never remember which one was which and it doesn't help that the only Finnish equivalent for both of them is 'päättely'. Unless we accept the international words 'deduktio' and 'induktio', but I'd still be  :confused: with those two options.
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23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

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Offline Vip

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Generally, deduction is about logical thinking and stuff like this, whereas induction is connected with a) physical stuff such as electromagnetic induction and b) induction as a way of proving things in the mathematical logic (which has almost nothing to do with logic known as "common sense" :P).
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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
That would seem correct. Of course now, after the Capella going bye-bye and a large part of the GTVA Fleet being wrecked (or so we are led to believe) I somehow can't see phasing out the old designs in the nearest future. But yeah, they will probably concentrate on the 'vettes and/or learn a lesson from the Shivans and perhaps develop their own version of Liliths AKA Mjolnirs-with-engines-and-more-armour - so that a group of such ships could realtively quickly engage and damage/cripple/destroy a Sathanas. I believe that most of the research power of the GTVA would now go for a)stopping a Sathanas fleet and b) re-establish contact with Sol.

And that would be deduction, Lobo ;)

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Offline TrashMan

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Deimoses being the foundation of a fleet doesn't mean they are the smallest element of the fleet, but the basic one.

A corvette might be the mainstray of the fleet (as it's doing the most work - since it's a multi-purpose warship), means it will most often lead attacks, cruisers are supporting vessels, not ships of the line. IMHO, cruisers will continue to be built.
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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Also, corvettes are simply too big and costly for some tasks... it´s far more cost- effective to deploy a cruiser to attack a lightly defended convoy or something like that, to deploy a corvette for those kind of things would be like using an elephant to squash a fly.

 

Offline starlord

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
That's my opinion on things.

Besides, isn't a fenris faster than a deimos?

 

Offline blowfish

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Re: Smaller carrier vessels?
Actually, the Deimos is faster.