[General Battuta]

I agree that advertising the free and illegal giveaway of a game is probably a bad plan, so I'll retract that suggestion.

[Scooby_Doo]

Ehhh this site is very newbie friendly.  You should try over at More Awesome Than You, they flamboy newbies. 

[Turey]

Wait a minute...

The most recent Installer includes:

...
The OpenAL Installer (optional)
...

So Turey's installer says it installs OpenAL, but it actually doesn't? No wonder people have trouble. I usually assume that an installer installs things, not just copy another installer to someplace else on your hard drive. That's actually more confusing to me than not installing OpenAL at all.

Not that I'm ungrateful to Turey for making the installer. Just...that's very confusing. It's the only time I've heard of a program doing that with something that's required to run it.

one thing that needs to happen is turey's installer either installing open AL or not. no gray whatsoever. especially since it is needed to run the game. Nothing against Turey or his installer though

****. My mistake, that's outdated. I'll go get rid of that.

And @ Turey, can't you make the OpenAL installer run a .bat file that echoes the install line that it's going to execute, and says "press Y to continue, N to exit"?  That way it's not directly executing anything unless it's permitted to.  (Well, cmd.exe, but really, that's just like executing Java to run your Installer.)

Couple of problems:
1. .bat files are windows only.
2. if a user doesn't know enough to be able to download and run an executable, they're unlikely to go research whatever program is being run, which means that they'll probably just hit yes, which means I'm still allowing remote execution of code I haven't written, which is bad. I guess I could put in a big disclaimer or something, but I don't see it being worth my time.

Please note that I have no problem with someone else doing the work. If you send me a diff against the current code and a list of the text files that need to be changed, I'll be much more receptive to your change request.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Perhaps someone could make a very streamlined installer with just the demo missions? I can imagine people getting frightened by a download time of several hours, if they don't yet know if they'll like it.

[Jeff Vader]

Like the FreeSpace 2 Demo, perhaps? Maybe with some end notes saying how much more fun the actual FS2 is, not to mention all the graphical and gameplay improvements provided by the FSO engine and the MediaVPs.

[tinfoil]

thanks Turey. that was kinda confusing.

[WMCoolmon]

Aye

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Like the FreeSpace 2 Demo, perhaps? Maybe with some end notes saying how much more fun the actual FS2 is, not to mention all the graphical and gameplay improvements provided by the FSO engine and the MediaVPs.

Well, yeah. But nobody who isn't into FS already will find it there IMHO.

[Jeff Vader]

Like the FreeSpace 2 Demo, perhaps? Maybe with some end notes saying how much more fun the actual FS2 is, not to mention all the graphical and gameplay improvements provided by the FSO engine and the MediaVPs.

Well, yeah. But nobody who isn't into FS already will find it there IMHO.

I know. I was merely pointing out that there is hardly any reason to make an "installer" for a demo since the FS2 demo is alive and well. But I agree that new people don't just stumble upon FreeSpaceMods and download the demo. If we were to try this "Try the demo to see how cool FS is", there should be a link somewhere where it might hit the eye.

[Fenrir]

I don`t know who else has noticed, but the SCP official site (http://scp.indiegames.us/) is back up, and it`s nicely organized. So if people are getting lost as to what to download and how, point them there.

[Mobius]

Creating stuff friendly to new users is pointless if new users aren't directed to it.

The FreeSpace Wiki is already invisible and people simply don't check it. What do we get as result? People posting in the Inferno forum about acronyms whose meanings are explained in the Wiki...meh...

[Topgun]

Like the FreeSpace 2 Demo, perhaps? Maybe with some end notes saying how much more fun the actual FS2 is, not to mention all the graphical and gameplay improvements provided by the FSO engine and the MediaVPs.

Well, yeah. But nobody who isn't into FS already will find it there IMHO.

how about we make a SCP Demo? just like the original only with FSOpen and a condensed version of the mediavps?

[WMCoolmon]

 

[Stormkeeper]

Okay, then where do we put it ?

[WMCoolmon]

http://www.getspacecrack.com

Although there might be some political correctness issues to solve, you're not going to find a more memorable name.

[haloboy100]

http://www.getspacecrack.com

Although there might be some political correctness issues to solve, you're not going to find a more memorable name.

Oh my God

[colecampbell666]

Why the HELL did you buy that domain to have it redirect to the SCP page?

[Stormkeeper]

Now people like Titan's Dad will think we sell drugs. >.>

[colecampbell666]

Yeah. Titan's dad will hate us, and then he'll close the internet because of it.

[Topgun]

it is called internet Armageddon. it is in the book of Gates 23:2.