[ssmit132]

Okay, here it is.

(And this was just with DEM, no other mods (including the core SCP stuff, but it crashed with that anyway) except for some loose ends I didn't account for.)

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[Jeff Vader]

Hmm. Don' know whether this is related to the issue or not (probably not), but you should select Generic Software instead of Generic Hardware from the Launcher's Audio/Joystick tab.

[jr2]

Hmm. Don' know whether this is related to the issue or not (probably not), but you should select Generic Software instead of Generic Hardware from the Launcher's Audio/Joystick tab.

Yes, that's known to cause problems, but I'm not sure if it's the cause of this one.  Do as Lobo said, however, and see if that helps.

[ssmit132]

After changing that setting (which I don't think helped in this case, just a coincidence) the game allowed me to enter the main hall in 3.6.9 debug, but it crashed when I tried to go into the campaign room. I changed the campaign with the normal exe (incidentally the one that nubbles526 suggested, it didn't come with it's own debug build), and tried debug again, but it crashed while going into the main hall again. I don't think that debug likes DEM!

Attaching the log files for both cases...

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[Jeff Vader]

Debug builds have a tendency to crash, since the sole purpose of their existence is to track errors that occur. After the crash, you simply take a look at the log file. Or post it here so the rest of us can take a look at it.

[nubbles526]

Ummm....how come you do not have all the Media VPs? Or is it just me who is just a stupid n00b.

You are missing Mv_models from what I see. Also, a lot of problems appear inside the models section.

[Jeff Vader]

Ach, I just took a look at the first one:

Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\a_subspace.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\Apollo_HTL.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\axm_jad2eb.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\axm_JAD_SE2.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\Boomerang.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\Homesick.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\LightspeedFS2.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\mv_core.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\mv_textures.vp'
Searching root pack 'C:\games\freespace2\scp\Nebulae.vp'

- Move the files beginning with axm_ to \freespace2\JAD.
- Move Boomerang to \freespace2\boomerang.
- Move Homesick to \freespace2\homesick.

You are supposed to have the mods in separate subfolders, so that they won't conflict with each other.

[nubbles526]

That too, Lobo. So I think we've found our problem....

ALSO Homesick is very buggy for SCP. Perhaps thats the little bugger we need to clear.

[ssmit132]

That too, Lobo. So I think we've found our problem....

ALSO Homesick is very buggy for SCP. Perhaps thats the little bugger we need to clear.

Gah! I didn't think of that! I'm very prone to missing things staring me in the face... But that still doesn't account for Debug FRED2 choking on the messages when NO mods are selected at all.

I had another go at the Derelict mission with the VP files moved (and scp/data/missions renamed for extra security), but that still had no messages and had the brackets around Mjolnir 01. In debug I got the same error as I did in FRED2 debug. Log and screen attached.

Ummm....how come you do not have all the Media VPs? Or is it just me who is just a stupid n00b.

You are missing Mv_models from what I see. Also, a lot of problems appear inside the models section.

The reason that I don't have many of the Media VPs is because they take a long time to download on my dial-up connection, and my laptop has problems with having a lot of demanding models/effects. I had a few problems with Blue Planet because of this.

Debug builds have a tendency to crash, since the sole purpose of their existence is to track errors that occur. After the crash, you simply take a look at the log file. Or post it here so the rest of us can take a look at it.

I thought it was prudent to say when it crashed. Isn't that important?

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[nubbles526]

Ohh....then I think we have found our problem. The FS2 models aren't fully compatible with SCP. Make sure you get mv_models 3.6.9 or mv_assets for 3.6.10. Then try again.

And yeah

I thought it was prudent to say when it crashed. Isn't that important?

That is important too. That tells us what the problem is. It seems as if the maximum message has been achieved.

Ok, I just thought of some (unlikely) cures if  it still doesn't work.
Upgrade your Graphic Card driver to the latest one.

[karajorma]

Num_messages is the sum of the messages in your messages.tbl + the number in the mission. So if the game is finding a rogue message.tbl with lots of messages in it you can easily crash the game if the mission also has a lot of messages and was also close to the limit.

In other words this is a rogue table/vp problem.

[ssmit132]

Okay. That would certainly be the problem, since I use custom message tables with more messages. 

I moved the custom messages.tbl out, tested it ... and it worked! It's so good to hear Rebus Station again! 

Thanks for all your help, everyone. 

EDIT: I feel like I should have indicated I had a custom messages.tbl first, sorry about that.

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