[Mobius]

Before you ask, this is intended to be a serious topic.

I'm honest: although FS2 is a great and unmatched game I don't think it's the best under all points of view. I love its moddability but there are many things that don't go well...

- Low quality cutscenes, with errors. I remember games like the Colony Wars series which had better cutscenes.

- Canon inconsistencies, mostly related with FS1. I refer to jump nodes that disappear in FS2 and such things.

- Simple missions. Many missions are the way too simple and overall the game lacks a few interesting features like landing and take off cutscenes.

- Bad weapon settings. Many Shivan craft fire GTVA armaments, which his incredibly weird.

- Weird carrier system. Although there's canon evidence of the mass production of spacecraft the number of destroyers and space stations is very limited so most craft simply don't have a base.

- Bad physics. They're pretty realistic under many points of view but lack in "coolness": unlike many other games dogfights against the AI aren't exciting unless you mod table entries and there's no stuff like die hard enemy aces during the campaign.

- Poor info. Informations about environment and societies are very poor while they should have been better.

- No characters. I don't like invincible and chatty characters but analyzing missions with Snipes led me to think that the game could have been improved with a few characters(who die or are transfered).

- Voice acting. There are always the same actors, that's something that doesn't happen in most games.

- Head ani systems. There are no specific ones and, more importantly, their number is kind of limited.

Maybe there's something else I forgot... 

Discuss.   

[colecampbell666]

Option 2, for the reasons you cited.

[Snail]

I liked FS1 better...

Option 2.

[SF-Junky]

In my opinion FS2 is indeed the best space sim we have seen yet. It's almost perfect imo, but almost. There are still a few things to be improved.

My 2 cents:

Before you ask, this is intended to be a serious topic.

- Low quality cutscenes, with errors. I remember games like the Colony Wars series which had better cutscenes.

Quality... yeah, that's not so important to me. What annoys me more are stupid inconsistencies, like that super GTVA fleet in the outro, Lucy's beams, technical specs of the Colossus, etc.

inconsistencies- Canon inconsistencies, mostly related with FS1. I refer to jump nodes that disappear in FS2 and such things.

Agreed.

- Simple missions. Many missions are the way too simple and overall the game lacks a few interesting features like landing and take off cutscenes.

That'd fit more for FS1 if you ask me. The FS2 main campaign is nearly perfect, except of a few bad excamples (Slying Ravana). Features like take off cutscenes are nothing but annoying to me. That's why I hate Freelancer!

- Bad weapon settings. Many Shivan craft fire GTVA armaments, which his incredibly weird.

- Weird carrier system. Although there's canon evidence of the mass production of spacecraft the number of destroyers and space stations is very limited so most craft simply don't have a base.

My words.

- Bad physics. They're pretty realistic under many points of view but lack in "coolness": unlike many other games dogfights against the AI aren't exciting unless you mod table entries and there's no stuff like die hard enemy aces during the campaign.

The flight feeling is not so good, but the rest is okay. I don't think that die hard enemy aces are important neither "realistic" in a game like FS.

- Poor info. Informations about environment and societies are very poor while they should have been better.

On the one hand this might be right, on the other hand it gives much more free room to campaign designers (like me ) for their own ideas.

- No characters. I don't like invincible and chatty characters but analyzing missions with Snipes led me to think that the game could have been improved with a few characters(who die or are transfered).

That's the most (and only real) significant point of critisism I can see in FS2.

- Voice acting. There are always the same actors, that's something that doesn't happen in most games.

- Head ani systems. There are no specific ones and, more importantly, their number is kind of limited.

Not big problems for me. Maybe they would've added more .anis if they had had more money/time. Number of voice actors might be limited, but on the other hand some of them were quite famous (Loggia, Cox)

[Jeff Vader]

Oi. Where's Snuffleupagus?

[Snail]

Oi. Where's Snuffleupagus?

It used to be automatic, so people forget to put it in I guess.

[Titan]

I liked FS1 better...

Option 2.

The Darkness Rising era

 



I hated the cutscenes in FS2. even when i was on the last mission, the thing were you cn watch cutscenes in the tech room only had the intro cutscenes. and when the cutscene got to the part with the Herc dogfight, my whole comp would freeze and i would have to cut the power...

[Rodo]

- Simple missions. Many missions are the way too simple and overall the game lacks a few interesting features like landing and take off cutscenes.

It's sad... you can not do anything else that blowing **** up... so gets kind of "ohhh! i've seen this before!!".
(not saying playng chest in freespace but... dunno maybe a mining mission (using some kind of modiffied transport) or even positioning in a cap ship using a turret to beam all out! that would be fantastic change of air to the game itself.

- Bad physics. They're pretty realistic under many points of view but lack in "coolness": unlike many other games dogfights against the AI aren't exciting unless you mod table entries and there's no stuff like die hard enemy aces during the campaign.

Totally agreed in this one... pretty much anoying the fact that the gtva wings, being so inferior to shivan armadas.. can actually destroy 5-6-7-8 wings of fighters and bombers...

I guess it's been always like this becouse killing a freaking hard shivan makes the game too complex... but I've always dreamed of a realistic campaign.. where a single wind SHOULD only fight against another wing... and if outnumberd.. well then stand ground and die or flee...that's the way space combats should be like at my point of view.

Voted 3
Rot

[nowd]

Option 5.
Freespace 2 is one of the best games ever but i personally liked the Wing Commander Series a tad better. ( )
However Freespace itself may not be a perfect game but the SCP is imo the best project alive in the internet.
Just look at all those great campaigns and TCs.

[Mobius]

Guys I know the SCP is fantastic but I mentioned things that are in need of discussion. Preferring FS1/Silent Threat over FS2 is not on topic. If you're here you obviously like FS and know FSO: I want to discuss some aspects of retail FS1 and FS2, no SCP.

Another thing I forgot: the Ancients. Poor informations about them in FS1 and nothing in FS2 that leads to major conclusions. That's why debates about the dimensions of their fleets are still open.

[Snail]

Another thing I forgot: the Ancients. Poor informations about them in FS1 and nothing in FS2 that leads to major conclusions. That's why debates about the dimensions of their fleets are still open.

No, I think I won that argument several times.

[Mobius]

You won absolutely nothing.

There weren't enough canon evidences to prove me wrong, same thing for you. That subject led me to create this topic.

[Snail]

There weren't enough canon evidences to prove me wrong, same thing for you. That subject led me to create this topic.

I won absolutely nothing because you degenerated the thread into lololol idiot lololol.

[Jeff Vader]

There weren't enough canon evidences to prove me wrong, same thing for you. That subject led me to create this topic.

I won absolutely nothing because you degenerated the thread into lololol idiot lololol.

And while observing the heated debate, I lolled at that point.

[Titan]

Can we NOT get into this again?!?

[Snail]

Can we NOT get into this again?!?

Yeah I would rather not.

Anyway, I haven't seen any other space sims that are as good as FS.

[Mobius]

It's sad... you can not do anything else that blowing **** up... so gets kind of "ohhh! i've seen this before!!".
(not saying playng chest in freespace but... dunno maybe a mining mission (using some kind of modiffied transport) or even positioning in a cap ship using a turret to beam all out! that would be fantastic change of air to the game itself.

I remember Colony Wars, in which the player had to use a tractor gun to move energy cells, capture fighters, save ships that are going to collide with something. There even was a mission in which the only way to destroy an installation was to shoot at nearby asteroids and make them collide with it...

...I liked those parts because the player is supposed to use his brain, not only his fighting ability. That doesn't happen in FS.

I don't like "prophetic" briefings, either. They say EXACTLY what happens during the mission. I knew the Plato would have been destroyed when escape pods were mentioned in the briefing.

I don't tend to create prophetic briefings: the player shouldn't know what is going to happen until that particular event occurs.

[Snail]

I agree on prophetic briefings, but some amount of foreshadowing (though in a less obvious manner) is good IMO.

[Mobius]

Another thing:

Bombers aren't bombers, they're just slightly oversized fighters armed with torpedoes. They're minimally defended with turrets and flying/escorting them is not as interesting/exciting as flying/escorting WWII bombers.

There's only one exception, IMO: the SB Seraphim. It's closer to ideal bomber specifications for me.

[Snail]

Well some people enjoy flying bombers. It can be quite entertaining blowing up Orions all by yourself, really.

And IMO I wouldn't like to fly the Seraphim. It's slow and doesn't have any afterburners. The ideal bomber is the Artemis IMO.