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Ah screw it. The world is 4.5 billion years old, and has survived much worse than we could ever have thrown at it in the last 200 years. Its pretty vain to think that we are going to destroy the planet and wipe out so much when the natural cycle of the world has killed off most of the species who have ever inhabited it here. Let things happen as they would and ADAPT. Thats what life on here is best at.

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Variations in CO2, temperature and dust from the Vostok ice core over the last 450,000 years:


So who still thinks we're a major cause of global warming?

Every circa 100 000 years the (average annual?) temperature was above zero Celsius in the region near Vostok. We just happen to live in the warmer times, which aren't as warm (in terms of peak temp) as they were 125k and 325k years ago.


Ohh....that will mean we have to wait another 10k-35k years until the next time the earth cools down 'naturally'. Hmmm....sad....thats really sad.

Ok, if we are not the main problem, then we are the main contributors.


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Ohh....that will mean we have to wait another 10k-35k years until the next time the earth cools down 'naturally'. Hmmm....sad....thats really sad.


Considering what happened after the Medieval Warm Period, I would not say that.
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Add in people who scream every natural disaster is an effect of man-made global warming. Then add in people who just about say anything that is not normal is caused by global warming. Because honestly when people claim that you can't use any event happening in weather to prove them wrong. So Kara you tell me, how can I not use cheap shots on a theory which is basically all cheap shots itself?

Seriously? That's where you're going with your argument? The man on the street doesn't understand the science therefore the science must be wrong?

 I doubt you'll find many serious climatologists blaming everything on global warming. So to blame the fact that the odd lunatic (and you get them in every branch of science) wants to blame it for everything as a reason to discredit the theory is not only unscientific but hugely dishonest. And that's why I say you take cheap shots.

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You know another thing, if I remember correctly, all you have ever done is take cheap shots at my "cheap shots" and have never expressed what or why you believe, which I have made myself pretty clear.

If you haven't guessed where I stand then you're not paying attention. I'm with the scientific consensus on the matter because I have always felt that only a fool goes against the consensus unless they have specialised knowledge in the field. The average person does not have the detailed knowledge to decide in either direction on this matter.

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Once again I will go ahead and re-re-re-link this very good link on greenhouse gasses.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

You seriously trust a website by Steve Milloy? A man who took money from the tobacco companies in order to write rubbish about how there was no link between second hand smoke and cancer? A man who went against the Clean Air Act on the grounds that pollution was not a hazard to health and was merely a matter of aesthetics? A man who champions the use of DDT? And finally a man who 3 days after 9/11 and before any serious scientific study had been carried out on why they fell claimed that the towers would not have fallen had the designers used asbestos fireproofing on the towers?

And that's before we get onto his views about evolution! :rolleyes:

**** me, I was going to take you on over the science but if that's the wagon you're hitching yourself to I don't think there's any further point in this debate.
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Seriously? That's where you're going with your argument? The man on the street doesn't understand the science therefore the science must be wrong?

 I doubt you'll find many serious climatologists blaming everything on global warming. So to blame the fact that the odd lunatic (and you get them in every branch of science) wants to blame it for everything as a reason to discredit the theory is not only unscientific but hugely dishonest. And that's why I say you take cheap shots.

Who said I'm using that to dis-credit global warming? I don't need to list idiots views to defend why I think why I think. I was listing why I as others take cheap shots. When all you hear is idiots screaming this and that you can't help but get frustrated. Like climatologists suggesting that meteorologists lose their seals if they didn't endorse global warming. Also idiots who gave the Nobel Peace prize to Al Gore, who ripped off the CGI arctic scene from "The Day After Tomorrow" to use in his film about global warming. Or normal "man on the street" who says to put oil chiefs on trial from saying there is no global warming.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange

And don't get me started on the idiot that claimed everyone who denies global warming is a traitor. If those are men on the streets, then your streets are full of them, and the real scientists you say go against this view certainly are not splitting their pants jumping up to squash these idiots. Could it be they don't wanna lose their funding or is just silent approval, you tell me.

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If you haven't guessed where I stand then you're not paying attention. I'm with the scientific consensus on the matter because I have always felt that only a fool goes against the consensus unless they have specialised knowledge in the field. The average person does not have the detailed knowledge to decide in either direction on this matter.

I already knew where you stood, but I want to know why you stand there. But over all you are saying you stand there just because the consensus is there? So the consensus hasn't been known before to be totally stupid and wrong? This doesn't interest you?



Even though c02 from supposedly humans has been going on for decades even though the real warming didn't start until 1975 or such? Then when it did start it went from cool to warm in a matter of two or three years even though co2 didn't rise very fast in those same years. It doesn't interest you that despite co2 still rising, the general consensus is we haven't warmed in the past 10 years?

You don't find this interesting either?

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/climate_change/001319verification_of_ipcc.html

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Re: Global Warming a reality
Global dimming. Look it up.

Not to mention that your graph contradicts your assertion that the warming started before the industrial revolution.

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I already knew where you stood, but I want to know why you stand there. But over all you are saying you stand there just because the consensus is there? So the consensus hasn't been known before to be totally stupid and wrong?

And it isn't more stupid to dump the consensus simply because it may have been wrong in the past? Especially when you're dumping it on the basis of evidence provided by flim-flam artists and corporate whores?
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Global dimming. Look it up.

Not to mention that your graph contradicts your assertion that the warming started before the industrial revolution.

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I already knew where you stood, but I want to know why you stand there. But over all you are saying you stand there just because the consensus is there? So the consensus hasn't been known before to be totally stupid and wrong?

And it isn't more stupid to dump the consensus simply because it may have been wrong in the past? Especially when you're dumping it on the basis of evidence provided by flim-flam artists and corporate whores?

No my graph just covers a little, this graph on the other hand, says we have been warming since coming out of the little ice.



And I never said for one that I'm dumping the science and secondly, not because of the idiots but for the fact that the truth of the matter is we just don't know. While I consider myself skeptical of man made global warming, I am actually consider myself more to the middle ground. As I said in my first post, could we be warming the planet sure, but when everyone starts saying the ice caps are melting and the climate is changing due to a mean .4C at the very surface you lose me quickly. I am not dumb or close minded to say for a certainty that we are or are not warming the climate, once again I'm in the we just don't have the records or evidence to say.
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Oh, here it finally is, the "we're coming out of a mini ice age" nonsense. Nice of you to get both that and the medieval warm period bollocks on the same graph. Pity neither of them have anything to do with real science though. Let's also ignore the fact that a planet doesn't just suddenly snap out of an ice age, mini or not without a reason. Cause if you don't ignore it you might have to explain it. And then we'd just get into that whole "The sun is warmer" bollocks. :rolleyes:

The fact that you latched onto JunkScience.com so firmly instead of actually bothering to check if it was even remotely credible was all the proof I really needed that you aren't even remotely interested in actually seeing both sides of the debate. And now after I've pointed out what a load of bollocks your chosen guide was you still persist in trying to argue you are correct. The fact that your supposedly excellent guide to the flaws in the global warming theory turned out to be an often-wrong corporate shill's work should have made you question if the stuff you believed from his website actually had some basis in fact.

But you haven't. You've simply trotted out the same tired old arguments from the GW sceptics handbook without even bothering to check if they are wrong.

The answers to every single point you have brought up are available if you had wanted to read them. You've ignored the fact that water vapour isn't going to cause global warming since it will simply precipitate out if there is too much in the air. You've ignored that your graph showing no rise in the last 10 years is simply a smoothing error caused by the fact that as you know damn well 1998 was the biggest el nino year for over a century. You've ignored the fact that the so-called medieval warm period was a regional effect rather than a global one. I can only assume I'll be hearing that old chestnut about growing grapes in southern England next.

In short you've ignored every single piece of scientific evidence refuting your chosen view. You are simply doing the Young Earth Creationist's trick of looking for something you can pretend is scientific in order to justify the beliefs you already hold and then claiming that cause there seems to be a disagreement it's a perfectly valid point to say that the science is controversial.
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WeatherOp, DS9er, you may not be aware that there is an extremely large body of hard-earned, well-analyzed, peer-reviewed research on global warming.

This has been conducted by scientists going out in the field, digging up ice, laboring over instruments, and collating massive bodies of data. The data has been reviewed by scientists of all opinions and on both sides of the ideological spectrum.

The consensus has been that human beings are causing global warming.

I suggest you check out JSTOR or other repositories of peer-reviewed research online.

Global warming is not just a hypothesis built on a few flimsy pieces of data. It is a hypothesis built on large amounts of data and extremely rigorous studies. There are genuine experts in this field, the same way there are in plasma physics, structural engineering, or automotive technology, and the overwhelming majority of them agree that global warming is real, human-actuated, and dangerous.

Also, please don't nitpick at the use of the word 'hypothesis' -- in the scientific sense, this is just one step below a theory, which is very nearly the pinnacle of certainty.

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Oh, here it finally is, the "we're coming out of a mini ice age" nonsense. Nice of you to get both that and the medieval warm period bollocks on the same graph. Pity neither of them have anything to do with real science though. Let's also ignore the fact that a planet doesn't just suddenly snap out of an ice age, mini or not without a reason. Cause if you don't ignore it you might have to explain it. And then we'd just get into that whole "The sun is warmer" bollocks. :rolleyes:

First of do you know anything of weather patterns such as NAO, AO, MJO, PNA or PDO? You honestly think that the sun is the only cycle the earth goes in? Check this out.

http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/science/pdo.html

http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/

Correlate that with the temp graph I shown up above. Climate shifts don't happen quickly? That is bullcrap, an El Nino can go to an El Nina in a month. A NAO going from positive to negative in winter will let storms in cold air dive down into North America while a positive NAO will not. How fast can that change? In a week.

The planet can't snap out of an ice age quickly, I'd agree with that. But then again this wasn't a warming of 4-5C. Do you realize all the warming or cooling in the past 1000 years has been less than 1C? Do you realize that for the past 1000 years we have been below normal, except for the little period around the Medieval period.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/medieval.html

Apparently, you are saying these guys are crap. But in any case they take more precedence than you.


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The fact that you latched onto JunkScience.com so firmly instead of actually bothering to check if it was even remotely credible was all the proof I really needed that you aren't even remotely interested in actually seeing both sides of the debate. And now after I've pointed out what a load of bollocks your chosen guide was you still persist in trying to argue you are correct. The fact that your supposedly excellent guide to the flaws in the global warming theory turned out to be an often-wrong corporate shill's work should have made you question if the stuff you believed from his website actually had some basis in fact.

But you haven't. You've simply trotted out the same tired old arguments from the GW sceptics handbook without even bothering to check if they are wrong.

You kidding right? I've seen both sides of the debate. Latched on to the site? Hardly. But I will admit it is a cool site. But one thing I have seen is maybe he isn't as wacky as you said he was. Just goggled a little on DDT and found stuff leading to this article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/08/opinion/8kristof.html

Not saying he isn't a quack, but what you said would be perfectly in line with what I'd think a die-hard conservative would say about  The Independent.

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The answers to every single point you have brought up are available if you had wanted to read them. You've ignored the fact that water vapour isn't going to cause global warming since it will simply precipitate out if there is too much in the air. You've ignored that your graph showing no rise in the last 10 years is simply a smoothing error caused by the fact that as you know damn well 1998 was the biggest el nino year for over a century. You've ignored the fact that the so-called medieval warm period was a regional effect rather than a global one. I can only assume I'll be hearing that old chestnut about growing grapes in southern England next.

Actually you are wrong.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html

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Top of Page Water Vapor

Water Vapor is the most abundant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, which is why it is addressed here first. However, changes in its conentration is also considered to be a result of climate feedbacks related to the warming of the atmosphere rather than a direct result of industrialization. The feedback loop in which water is involved is critically important to projecting future climate change, but as yet is still fairly poorly measured and understood.

As the temperature of the atmosphere rises, more water is evaporated from ground storage (rivers, oceans, reservoirs, soil). Because the air is warmer, the relative humidity can be higher (in essence, the air is able to 'hold' more water when its warmer), leading to more water vapor in the atmosphere. As a greenhouse gas, the higher concentration of water vapor is then able to absorb more thermal IR energy radiated from the Earth, thus further warming the atmosphere. The warmer atmosphere can then hold more water vapor and so on and so on. This is referred to as a 'positive feedback loop'. However, huge scientific uncertainty exists in defining the extent and importance of this feedback loop. As water vapor increases in the atmosphere, more of it will eventually also condense into clouds, which are more able to reflect incoming solar radiation (thus allowing less energy to reach the Earth's surface and heat it up). The future monitoring of atmospheric processes involving water vapor will be critical to fully understand the feedbacks in the climate system leading to global climate change. As yet, though the basics of the hydrological cycle are fairly well understood, we have very little comprehension of the complexity of the feedback loops. Also, while we have good atmospheric measurements of other key greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane, we have poor measurements of global water vapor, so it is not certain by how much atmospheric concentrations have risen in recent decades or centuries, though satellite measurements, combined with balloon data and some in-situ ground measurements indicate generally positive trends in global water vapor.

Water vapor levels can change.

A smoothing error you say?



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In short you've ignored every single piece of scientific evidence refuting your chosen view. You are simply doing the Young Earth Creationist's trick of looking for something you can pretend is scientific in order to justify the beliefs you already hold and then claiming that cause there seems to be a disagreement it's a perfectly valid point to say that the science is controversial.

Umm, do what? So I love weather, just to justify my beliefs? And I am against global warming just because it is controversial? Now that really is funny. Do you know I actually don't care much for climate? I love to Nowcast, watch hurricanes and tornadoes, because take it from me, forecasting is very, very hard and I'm still learning.

The fact of the matter is you know relativity little about weather. That is very clear since you think weather patterns are crap.  
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Ah screw it. The world is 4.5 billion years old, and has survived much worse than we could ever have thrown at it in the last 200 years....

I know this was from a while ago, but I really got a kick out of this.   Thats not the point yah know.  The point is that WE probably wont, or at least we will be very uncomfortable.

 

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All these charts and theories and no one has taken the time to consider the most important points:

Does Santa have flood insurance?

Will there be toys for X-mas?

Can Elves swim?

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Karajorma, the problem with being right so often is that you forget to recognize when you're actually wrong. :)

I'm surprised you so quickly questioned the credibility of WeatherOp's sources, while ignoring the fact that many researchers are forced by necessity to selectively interpret their data in order to ensure continued funding.  Global warming is a political agenda, not a scientific one.


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Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth still warming?"

She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."

 

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This whole thread seems to me like finding an excuse to keep up your style of living  :ick:

Central-Europe proofs that you can have an working modern economy while protecting the environment. Good Example is Germany, the world's export champion nation. Few other countries have this strict restrictions and taxes for polluters  :nod:
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Karajorma, the problem with being right so often is that you forget to recognize when you're actually wrong. :)

Sorry Goober but I'm not wrong. Either that quote is out of context or we're dealing with a professional bull**** merchant there.  Look at 1998 on that graph WeatherOp posted. It should be fairly obvious that it's an outlier. The fact that it also corresponds to the strongest El Nino year of the century should be more than enough to convince you of that. So to claim that temperatures have gone down since 1998 is highly misleading.

Any fool can cherry pick data and then claim that there is a different trend to the overall one. Look at that graph again for the years 1985-1992. The average temperature is going down. I guess from that data it must be obvious global warming isn't real or ended in 1992!

Of course when you look at the 30 year trend you can see what bollocks that claim would be because the overall trend is obviously an increase. We simply don't have the data for the next 20 years. So anyone claiming that temperatures have plateaued in the last 10 years is obviously talking bull****. Because no credible scientist would take data out of context like that.


As for the claims that people have been drummed out of their jobs for supporting global warming denial, get me a list. Let's see how deep this rabbit hole goes. Cause I reckon that it's nothing more than same claim YEC's use that they got drummed out for spreading their bollocks. They weren't fired cause of politics. They were fired cause due to an obvious bias they tainted all their work to say exactly what they wanted it to say. Not cause it was good science that was politically unpalatable.




First of do you know anything of weather patterns such as NAO, AO, MJO, PNA or PDO? You honestly think that the sun is the only cycle the earth goes in? Check this out.

Something always drives such circles. What is driving this one? We aren't talking about simple weather patterns here. We're talking about 10,000 or 100,000 year cycles.

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Correlate that with the temp graph I shown up above. Climate shifts don't happen quickly? That is bullcrap, an El Nino can go to an El Nina in a month.

And that's a long term global event is it? To claim that cause a short term effect can change in a short time that it means a long term effect can also change in a short time is ludicrous.

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The planet can't snap out of an ice age quickly, I'd agree with that. But then again this wasn't a warming of 4-5C. Do you realize all the warming or cooling in the past 1000 years has been less than 1C? Do you realize that for the past 1000 years we have been below normal, except for the little period around the Medieval period.

There is no such thing as normal. It's a fallacy to claim that Earth has an optimum value it returns to. It's an incorrect assumption that you can simply draw a line through a temperature graph and say anything above is colder while anything below is warmer. The Earth is a very complex system. To claim that it always has a simple baseline temperature it likes to be at is just plain silly.

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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/medieval.html

Apparently, you are saying these guys are crap. But in any case they take more precedence than you.

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As paleoclimatic records have become more numerous, it has become apparent that "Medieval Warm Period" or "Medieval Optimum" temperatures were warmer over the Northern Hemisphere than during the subsequent "Little Ice Age", and also comparable to temperatures during the early 20th century.

What was the southern hemisphere doing at the same time? Cause if it was cold then the whole medieval warm period disappears as soon as you average the temperatures.

I never said those guys are wrong. Their science is being misrepresented. Find me proof that they claim that the medieval warm period was a global event.

Finally any fool can look at that graph and see that even during the medieval warm period temperatures were still much lower than they are today. So even if I believe that nonsense something must be driving the much greater change in temperature we see today.


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Then why are you dragging out patent nonsense that has been discredited already by one of the sides? You are STILL talking about the medieval warm period. I'm having to explain to you that it's not a global event. That's on page one of the anti-denial handbook. How can you not know that if you have looked at both sides of the argument? Surely you must be able to prove that the event was worldwide or that it doesn't matter in some way if you really have read both sides and come to an informed decision on the matter?

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Latched on to the site? Hardly. But I will admit it is a cool site.  But one thing I have seen is maybe he isn't as wacky as you said he was. Just goggled a little on DDT and found stuff leading to this article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/08/opinion/8kristof.html

Not saying he isn't a quack, but what you said would be perfectly in line with what I'd think a die-hard conservative would say about  The Independent.

Except that he doesn't merely advocate in-house spraying. He advocates widespread use and blames the fact DDT isn't used for EVERY single malaria death.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3186

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But other attacks only seem like fiction. A web page on junkscience.com features a live Malaria Death Clock next to a photo of Rachel Carson, holding her responsible for more deaths than malaria has caused in total.

Also http://kenethmiles.blogspot.com/2004_02_01_kenethmiles_archive.html#107570569615970184

He is a quack.

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You've ignored the fact that water vapour isn't going to cause global warming since it will simply precipitate out if there is too much in the air.

Actually you are wrong.

Actually no. I've simply not made myself clear enough and you've responded to the wrong thing. I'm not denying that water vapour is a greenhouse gas. I'm not denying that increased water vapour will make things hotter. I'm pointing out that water won't drive climate change. If you were to double the amount of water in the air today it would simply precipitate back out over time. Something else has to also be keeping things hot for water vapour to stay in the air. Even the quote you posted says that water vapour is a feedback effect rather than causal.


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A smoothing error you say?


I can't even begin to debunk that until you tell me what it's a graph of. Right now it's two wavy lines. I will however point out the argument I made to Goober about cherry-picking and taking data out of context.

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Umm, do what? So I love weather, just to justify my beliefs? And I am against global warming just because it is controversial?

Nope. You've decided or allowed yourself to be persuaded that global warming isn't man made and now you're fitting evidence against that hypothesis rather than approaching it with an open mind.

That is exactly what YECs do and it's not science there either. Hence why I pointed out the comparison.
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Re: Global Warming a reality
No matter what anyone believes, global warming is real. There are a number of causes which could lead to global warming. During the last Ice Age, the Earth moved further away from the sun which caused a massive decease in temperature. Who's to say it couldn't go the other way? We get closer to the Sun, we boil. The Sun can expand. Eventually the heat will be so intense that nothing will be able to stop it. Life on Earth will all die out some day. Perhaps we would have colonized other planets by that time. Either way, the Earth is boiling, life is dying, we are polluting the skies. There are many causes for global warming. Most of them we cannot reverse. Global warming caused by Humans will allow us to learn from our mestakes after Manhatten becomes the largest aquarium on the planet. We will learn to stop toxifying the skies and letting in greenhouse gasses with a big hug. We may be able to stop our own apocalyptic disasters, but we won't be able to stop nature from taking its own course. The Earth may move closer to the Sun. The Sun may expand and boil the Earth. Either way, where I am we can't even go outside. We can't even reach our swimming poop without burning up. The Earth will one day boil, and we won't be able to stop it. :(
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Part One: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,54863.0.html

Part Two: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,54969.0.html

Part Three: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55041.0.html

Part Four: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55234.0.html

Part Five: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,55384.0.html

Part Six: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,57798.0.html

 

Offline Flipside

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Re: Global Warming a reality
Hey, if we all pretend that we haven't got a problem, maybe it'll stop!

Regardless of what's causing it, it's happening, the question, for me, isn't 'who started it', it's 'what are we going to do about it?'

We can argue about 'who is to blame' for years, but saying 'tough it up' is probably one of the dumbest ideas ever, because you can be pretty sure that the people ignoring the fact that there is a problem, regardless of the source, will be the first people screaming 'Where are the government?!?' when it's their homes that are threatened.

 

Offline nubbles526

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Re: Global Warming a reality
So not fair....IF we are able to discover subspace by 2300, we can just inter-system jump to Delta Serpantis....and start again....I don't think the human race would exist by 2300  :ick:

So what can we do? I mean, how can we ensure we, humans keep surviving? All I can say is, adaptation through evolution. If we are able to to survive, then the next few generations will adapt. So, all we have to do is to make sure we survive long enough for us to adapt to it.

But in the mean time, everybody we know (That means Goober, Kara, Flipside, Titan etc. etc. etc. etc. and myself) will all have to suffer from what mother nature is throwing at us. We are not gods, you know.


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Offline Galemp

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Re: Global Warming a reality
I was inspired...

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Manmade global warming is a reasonable bet; it is worthwhile to assume that manmade global warming exists. If it does, we win all; if it does not, we lose nothing.
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Offline Hellstryker

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Re: Global Warming a reality
If you are a person who can persuade the government/community/companies to stop emitting that much greenhouse gas, please do so. The future of the world will lie in your hands. It's not just the humans, but the animals that are in that area.



Do your research and you'll find a good 80% of the warming is completely natural.