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Offline Dilmah G

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Can anybody tell me the average size of a GTVA Fleet, in particular the 3rd and 4th Fleets. I need to knoe for a campaign im making
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It's never really made clear in the campaign.

I do remeber that the NTF destroyed 80% of a system's forces with casualties of 80,000, but I don't know if that was a full fleet or not.
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Hmmm, well I was really looking for the number of ships in a fleet, and I dont knoe how many people are on board per ship
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It's never really made clear in the campaign.

I do remeber that the NTF destroyed 80% of a system's forces with casualties of 80,000, but I don't know if that was a full fleet or not.

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36 hours ago, the NTF launched a full-scale offensive in Epsilon Pegasi, taking the GTVA 6th Fleet by surprise. Commanding his forces from the NTD Repulse, Rear Admiral Koth leads the rebel advance. With 75 percent of our forces in this system decimated, the regional death toll since the incursion now exceeds 80,000.

At 10,000 a destroyer and 6,000 a corvette that still adds up to quite a few ships.


Especially if you're kind of pedant who insists that means that 80,000 is the crew of 7.5% of the fleet. :p
 
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Try counting the number of ships escorting the Colossus in the intro cutscene and Colossus cutscene. ;7

I reckon a destroyer, two to three corvettes, three to four cruisers and perhaps five to ten squadrons. The Aquitaine had about four or five squadrons, according to Their Finest Hour's briefing.

The Orion can hold up to 10 000 officers and crew (who are willing to die for Neo-Terra). A corvette should be able to hold 4000 to 6000. Cruisers...I don't know, 500? :nervous:

AWACS, freighters, transports and gas miners should hold about five to ten people. Medical frigates should be capable of about 1500.

...and of course, the Colossus has space for 30 000.

I think Vasudan large ships should be operated by more Vasudans, since their interiors are like...whoa. :jaw:
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Try counting the number of ships escorting the Colossus in the intro cutscene and Colossus cutscene. ;7

I reckon a destroyer, two to three corvettes, three to four cruisers and perhaps five to ten squadrons. The Aquitaine had about four or five squadrons, according to Their Finest Hour's briefing.

The Orion can hold up to 10 000 officers and crew (who are willing to die for Neo-Terra). A corvette should be able to hold 4000 to 6000. Cruisers...I don't know, 500? :nervous:

AWACS, freighters, transports and gas miners should hold about five to ten people. Medical frigates should be capable of about 1500.

...and of course, the Colossus has space for 30 000.

I think Vasudan large ships should be operated by more Vasudans, since their interiors are like...whoa. :jaw:


Hmmm, i see.

Well as I'm on a roll, what do you think's the possibility of the Shivans being a gasmining species, ill copy paste the command briefing from one of missions in my campaign


Shivan Theory?

After careful study of Shivan tactics, the Security Council has deduced some motive for the Shivans actions in the Capella System. Based on intelligence gathered by the Vasudans during their stint in the Nebula in which the first Sathanas was encountered, the Shivans appear to mine the Nebula Gas to power their ships, and possibly an economy. The Security Council believes that in order to power the large number of Sathani, the Shivans were running short of deposits within the nebula. In order to create more deposits, the Security Council believes that the Shivans destroyed the Capella Star, forcing it go supernova, and creating a large number of deposits. However skeptics argue that the creation of new deposits is not a reasonable cause to sacrifice a dozen Sathani. However we have reason to believe the Shivans populate a large number of systems, and during the GTVA's reconstruction period, the Shivans developed and mass produced the Sathanas. While this is not a very heartening piece of information for the GTVA, it explains the presence of many Sathani in the nebula. Unless the GTVA can counter this threat, we will be forced to sidestep the Shivans for the time being. However with the Economic Crisis in Vega, the Terran and Vasudan Economies will have to expand, and all eyes are on the GTVA to come up with a system ripe with resources. However, In Short, we believe Shivan Motives are to power a constantly thriving fleet and/or an economy. To do this, the Shivans rely on the creation of the deposits via the destruction of stars. However when this does not happen, the Shivans must make it. While doing this, they have become the protectors and destroyers of life. The Shivans have shown a quality many species before it have not. Discretion. By using discretion, the Shivans were able to drastically rebuild and expand their fleet, but were also wary of disturbing ill-developed life, or species that were not capable of space travel. When the Lucifer was destroyed, all Shivan ships quickly dissappeared from contested systems. The Shivan retreat allowed the Shivans to expand and multiply in a fashion that has not been observed since. It is also quite possible that the Shivans had arrived in the Sol system many centuries before Terrans acquired space travel, and simply bypassed the system because of its lack of nebula deposits. However had the Ancients stumbled upon the Sol system, they would've surely eliminated Terrans as a species long before GTA was formed, as they showed no intention of making Alliances with other species. While it is not clear wether the Shivans have made alliances with other species or in contact with any other species, it seems clear that their paramount objective is to acquire nebula deposits, however it may not be clear wether the extermination of species is part of their overall objectives. It may be so, or it may be that the Shivans suspect us to be mining their deposits, or that we are a reincarnation of the Ancients.
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Fenris / LEviathan should have more crew than an Aeolus (500??) but miners should have about 45. Based on department crews. Specialists etc. Science vessels should have the same'ish.
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I reckon a destroyer, two to three corvettes, three to four cruisers and perhaps five to ten squadrons. The Aquitaine had about four or five squadrons, according to Their Finest Hour's briefing.
I'd say there'd be a lot more than that per fleet, or the NTF would have the equivalent of 10 fleets (possibly more in terms of corvettes and cruisers). Personally I tend to think there'd be about 3-4 destroyers per fleet, with maybe ten corvettes and a lot of cruisers.

 

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Thing, either 100000 per fleet, or 1000000 is kara is right. That makes 3 destroyers, 10 corvettes, and 20 cruisers. or 30 destroyers, 100 corvettes, and 200 cruisers. Which is highly unlikely.
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I reckon a destroyer, two to three corvettes, three to four cruisers and perhaps five to ten squadrons. The Aquitaine had about four or five squadrons, according to Their Finest Hour's briefing.
I'd say there'd be a lot more than that per fleet, or the NTF would have the equivalent of 10 fleets (possibly more in terms of corvettes and cruisers). Personally I tend to think there'd be about 3-4 destroyers per fleet, with maybe ten corvettes and a lot of cruisers.

I'm not sure myself, because FS2 states that the Aquitaine is the leader of the 3rd Fleet, which might imply that it's the only destroyer in the fleet, or that there are other destroyers, only that they do not lead, or are all Orions.
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Well the Psamtik and Memphis are part of it, IIRC.
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Well the Psamtik and Memphis are part of it, IIRC.
No, the Psamtik's with the 13th Vasudan Battlegroup.

I'm not sure myself, because FS2 states that the Aquitaine is the leader of the 3rd Fleet, which might imply that it's the only destroyer in the fleet, or that there are other destroyers, only that they do not lead, or are all Orions.
I tend to think that the Aquitaine just leads, it's not like it's the only destroyer/Hecate-class ship in the fleet.

 

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Thing, either 100000 per fleet, or 1000000 is kara is right. That makes 3 destroyers, 10 corvettes, and 20 cruisers.

This seems reasonable for a fleet, it not a bit low on the cruiser end.
Also in the navy, the process of sending ships back to port for rest, repair, and rearm takes up a significant percentage of the ships, so it isn't like that many ships can be out all the time since they'll have to dock and repair.

The death toll is a little misleading though, since the game implies that marines are used to take planets, and if a NTF orion jumps a fleet troop convoy then the fleet loses a whole lot of lives in just a few small ships. There are enough similar situations that you can't really connect ship count to death count.

 

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The 80,000 figure wasn't meant to be a definitive reply.  I just didn't have much time (I was just about to start working). 

I do get the feeling that, at least in FS2, corvettes are on the rise.  I'd expect a handful of destroyers (not more than 4, even assuming that fleets operate on multiple fronts simultaneously) and a significant, but decreasing number of cruisers.
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I think Vasudan large ships should be operated by more Vasudans, since their interiors are like...whoa.

       The Vasudan interior is quite frankly pretty stupid in my opinion. One ship at a time is brought up on a thruster controlled platform to launch? How realistic is that???

   

 

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GTD Aquitaine, GTD Delacroix ( destroyed ), GTD Phoenicia, GTD Carthage, GTD Mesana, GTD Bastion ( decomissioned ). Unless stated otherwise, can they be from the same fleet? I mean, battles are system-wide, so I think it's safe to assume that we only see the tip of a fleet. And the running NTF fleets were small by then, heavily damaged ( a lot of ships destroyed ? ). It can probably be said that the fleets are much larger, and we see only small parts of them ( you don't see all the battles, game limitations, avoiding BoEs, etc. ).

 

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I think Vasudan large ships should be operated by more Vasudans, since their interiors are like...whoa.

       The Vasudan interior is quite frankly pretty stupid in my opinion. One ship at a time is brought up on a thruster controlled platform to launch? How realistic is that???

   
I'd go with the 4-destroyer estimate. In fringe fleets, I'd have to say a max of 2 destroyers. On the other hand, my opinion is that the NTF's fleets would be more destroyer-focused than the GTVA's fleets, as they would be able to appeal to the generation running the fleets and likely to some of the officers controlling the fleets. A few coups, killing or otherwise expelling anti-NTF officers, would result in many men and many large ships, but a lack of experienced officers. Promotions of enlisted and the officers (bring them up a few steps) would probably result in a bit higher morale and more reason to join the NTF, versus staying at a low rank and salary with the GTVA. No doubt, the call to join the NTF was strong (evidence is the systems that revolted and the entire fleets that revolted), so I'd say many of the GTVA's own ships would also revolt. And, it's not like you need that many people to take over a ship. Eliminate your strongest competition and appeal to the rest. If nothing else, you can kill experienced officers and kill morale. Plus, it's hard to sacrifice 8,000 of your own people to stop 2,000 that sympathize. It's unlikely that the GTVA would destroy its own ships, and destroyers are difficult ships to destroy. By extension, it's likely that the Colossus was staffed primarily Vasudans, for risk of NTF revolt.

So then--I'd say the Terran fleets have 4 battleships or so each in main systems, 2 or so in fringe systems. The NTF's fleets would have 6-8 battleships or so in each fleet, and a general lack of smaller ships when compared to the GTVA.
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The Vasudan interior is quite frankly pretty stupid in my opinion. One ship at a time is brought up on a thruster controlled platform to launch? How realistic is that???

Very, from a damage-control perspective. It minimizes the ship's vunerablities launching and recovering fighters. Not so much from a rapid launch perspective, but FS destroyers don't seem to understand the concept of launching more than a few wings anyways.
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Seems a bit odd to send the Aquitaine to frolic about in the nebula alone if Admiral Petrarch was responsible for 3 other destroyers back in Gamma Draconis or Capella.
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The Vasudan interior is quite frankly pretty stupid in my opinion. One ship at a time is brought up on a thruster controlled platform to launch? How realistic is that???

Very, from a damage-control perspective. It minimizes the ship's vunerablities launching and recovering fighters. Not so much from a rapid launch perspective, but FS destroyers don't seem to understand the concept of launching more than a few wings anyways.

       Well, it would make more sense if the ship could actually launched a wing, or even two groups of two in quick succession instead of just the one. But it doesn't seem to have anywhere near that capability. But I'm not sure if we've seen wings of Vasudan craft launched in the official campaigns or not.