[Dilmah G]

Heh, just look at me. 3 months pass and all I've done is 4 fully completed missions.
Darius really has determination and motivation.

Yeah, Darius should be a writer

[noodlezombie]

Clearly what will happen is that Earth will be on the brink of defeat. And then the Principality of Zeon will entire the war with their newest super weapons and turn the tide.

[SPECTRE87]

 

I got a question to Darius regarding the UE...

Since it has been established that Earth was sealed off from the rest of the Universe during the end of the Great War we must assume that Earth (unless another form of travel has been invented) had nowhere to go and was confined to their own solar system, Sol. So that's one system versus at least 10+ systems, and in that regard UE looses badly to the GTVA in terms of resources available. Even if Sol was loaded with resources...

And we must also assume that Sol is pretty much depleted of resources given the fact that most if it must have gone into the Great War and all the time before it. So here we are 60 years after the end of the Great War and they suddenly find themselves under attack from the GTVA. How do you explain them being able to afford a fleet capable of withstanding the GTVA?

[Dilmah G]

I got a question to Darius regarding the UE...

Since it has been established that Earth was sealed off from the rest of the Universe during the end of the Great War we must assume that Earth (unless another form of travel has been invented) had nowhere to go and was confined to their own solar system, Sol. So that's one system versus at least 10+ systems, and in that regard UE looses badly to the GTVA in terms of resources available. Even if Sol was loaded with resources...

And we must also assume that Sol is pretty much depleted of resources given the fact that most if it must have gone into the Great War and all the time before it. So here we are 60 years after the end of the Great War and they suddenly find themselves under attack from the GTVA. How do you explain them being able to afford a fleet capable of withstanding the GTVA?

I ain't Darius but I'll give you my take on this.

The UE doesn't need a superior fleet in terms of numbers to stand a chance against the GTVA. There is only ONE node into Sol, and that's from Delta Serpentis, the UE will find out about the knossos very quickly in terms of the amount of GTVA personnel defecting. The UE can effectively blockade this node with every man, woman and child and turn the Invasion Fleet into little more than scrap metal very fast.

As I said before. Defection. The GTVA is doing it by the numbers. This means additional ships, working beam cannon technology which the UE can copy/modify/mount, and the strategic minds onboard those ships.

Take Vietnam for example, a foreign invasion force can never totally defeat a determine local populace (I've heard that before somewhere..... *cough* Lisa Simpson! *cough*). These people are fighting for their own homes, and how are the GTVA to take all the planets in the Sol System? Time consuming process.

And look at the retail campaign, the GTVA has numerous fleets. But these are always deployed conservatively, 28 combined GTVA Fleets ought to be able to take down the NTF faster, however that's just now how GTVA High Command thinks and generally isn't a smart tactical move regarding all fronts.

The GTVA don't just launch attacks on systems. There were recon probs deployed through the knossos, and whatever the hell they found must've made Command (yes, the black guy) swallow his headset mike to make him commit an invasion force. The UE probably have something up their sleeves, and with up to 1/4+ of the original GTVA Invasion Force defecting, including some higher-ups, the UE know most of the GTVA's inner workings, and have compromised the Invasion Force.

[Rodo]

and I'll add....

30 years of colonization and study on foreign systems will never turn more profitable (on resources mather) than a century of the solar system exploration and exploitation.

Sol already has it's structure completely built, leaving more time to R&D and resource search than the time that GTVA can invest in that areas.

You think giving a new home to millions of Capellan refugees is an easy thing to do? I think not...and STILL hi-council thinks about capturing Sol instead of forging and alliance.
they sent probes to check on the sol system capabilities in terms of military and economical areas, is GTVA fleet so advanced and modern and so vast to justify the hi-council's decision?


this and MORE will be revealed on BLUE PLANET - WIH! (hopefully)

by the way how's that HIW coming along??

[SPECTRE87]

  I don't buy any of those explanations for a simple reason. Which neither have covered. Sol does not have the same amount of resources or population as the GTVA, and frankly the GTVA could just throw out a propaganda campaign to make the UE look like aggressors. And we have seen how useful blockades are in face of superior numbers made up of superior ships, so If the GTVA really wants to take Sol it wouldn't be much more than a fight of attrition, which is one the UE stands no chance of winning.

BP has shown the UE as a faction fully capable of building entire fleets much superior to the Great War fleets, which again, due to lack of resources is bullocks if all the UE has access to is Sol... So I'd like Darius to explain how UE suddenly has the resources to be a faction capable of fending off the GTVA... Don't get me wrong here, if the UE isn't then there is no real story to present, but it better have a really good and plausible explanation to show for.

[Rodo]

Sol does not have the same amount of resources or population as the GTVA, and frankly the GTVA could just throw out a propaganda campaign to make the UE look like aggressors.

the propaganda thing you can start putting your signature there... it gonna happen, both sides will want to be seen as the good guys, that will determine the winner.

about having the same amount of resources you are right, but how much developed are the means of extracting those resources and how much has been discovered... well I think sol wins by far there. (and sol has a large asteroid belt to get resources from... Inferno saga of solar wars exploits this fact quite good)

[Darius]

this and MORE will be revealed on BLUE PLANET - WIH! (hopefully)

What he said. There's already been a lot of discussion about what resources Sol would have, both inside and outside BP. People have shown good arguments for either side.

Now I'm going away for a few days, so behave yourselves everyone

[General Battuta]

I don't buy any of those explanations for a simple reason. Which neither have covered. Sol does not have the same amount of resources or population as the GTVA, and frankly the GTVA could just throw out a propaganda campaign to make the UE look like aggressors. And we have seen how useful blockades are in face of superior numbers made up of superior ships, so If the GTVA really wants to take Sol it wouldn't be much more than a fight of attrition, which is one the UE stands no chance of winning.

BP has shown the UE as a faction fully capable of building entire fleets much superior to the Great War fleets, which again, due to lack of resources is bullocks if all the UE has access to is Sol... So I'd like Darius to explain how UE suddenly has the resources to be a faction capable of fending off the GTVA... Don't get me wrong here, if the UE isn't then there is no real story to present, but it better have a really good and plausible explanation to show for.

Please cite a source that indicates Sol has a smaller population or resources than the GTVA.

Capella was a densely populated system by GTVA standards yet it had mere millions. If anything, the evidence is that Sol has greater population and more developed infrastructure than the rest of the GTVA.

[SPECTRE87]

Sol does not have the same amount of resources or population as the GTVA, and frankly the GTVA could just throw out a propaganda campaign to make the UE look like aggressors.

the propaganda thing you can start putting your signature there... it gonna happen, both sides will want to be seen as the good guys, that will determine the winner.

about having the same amount of resources you are right, but how much developed are the means of extracting those resources and how much has been discovered... well I think sol wins by far there. (and sol has a large asteroid belt to get resources from... Inferno saga of solar wars exploits this fact quite good)

And we have to assume that the GTVA has access to similar or larger asteroid belts given the construction of the Colossus. I'm basically asking of the UE only has Sol or access to other Solar systems here... Because if they don't then they simply don't stand a chance when speaking of available resources... Furthermore I've been wondering why the GTVA just didn't launch an expedition from Alpha Centauri some years after the Great War. Even at 1/4 of c, they would have been able to reach Earth way before the events of FS2... Somehow it just doesn't make any sense...

Please cite a source that indicates Sol has a smaller population or resources than the GTVA.

Capella was a densely populated system by GTVA standards yet it had mere millions. If anything, the evidence is that Sol has greater population and more developed infrastructure than the rest of the GTVA.

Infrastructure means little if you don't have the sheer resources available to you... Sol would most likely have been pretty much depleted of resources by the time the GTVA reestablish contact...
There are only two possible explanations here to explain how the UE would ever stand a chance against the GTVA.

A) Sol is a freak of the Universe and has several undiscovered "pockets" of resources near it's limits which were unknown till after the Great War.
B) Earth somehow discovered how to built artificial subspace portal and/or found alternative means of travel and have, in less than 60 years, established a vast Empire.


Then again, according to BP, Alpha 1 joins Earth and given FreeSpace terminology that is a good enough explanation... 

[General Battuta]

The lightspeed thing is a plot hole. Best fanwank I can come up with is that GTVA ships don't have the life support capacity for journeys that long without replenishment...urgh, kinda weak.

Anyway, the UEF in War in Heaven has been suggested to be at a military disadvantage compared to the GTVA (in spite of a probably larger population and infrastructure). So don't worry about it too much, Spectre, it sounds like Darius has it covered.

[Commander Zane]

BP has shown the UE as a faction fully capable of building entire fleets much superior to the Great War fleets, which again, due to lack of resources is bullocks if all the UE has access to is Sol... So I'd like Darius to explain how UE suddenly has the resources to be a faction capable of fending off the GTVA... Don't get me wrong here, if the UE isn't then there is no real story to present, but it better have a really good and plausible explanation to show for.

They don't need squat, they just need what they have plus the people in the GTVA that defects.
Their resources are added from those defectors and whatever explotiations they give them.

[SPECTRE87]

The lightspeed thing is a plot hole. Best fanwank I can come up with is that GTVA ships don't have the life support capacity for journeys that long without replenishment...urgh, kinda weak.

Anyway, the UEF in War in Heaven has been suggested to be at a military disadvantage compared to the GTVA (in spite of a probably larger population and infrastructure). So don't worry about it too much, Spectre, it sounds like Darius has it covered.

Yes, extremely weak given the presence of the Sanctuary, which survived without Earth for 50 years! The journey I presented would take 16 years... even at 1/10 of c it would still only be 40 years...

BP has shown the UE as a faction fully capable of building entire fleets much superior to the Great War fleets, which again, due to lack of resources is bullocks if all the UE has access to is Sol... So I'd like Darius to explain how UE suddenly has the resources to be a faction capable of fending off the GTVA... Don't get me wrong here, if the UE isn't then there is no real story to present, but it better have a really good and plausible explanation to show for.

They don't need squat, they just need what they have plus the people in the GTVA that defects.
Their resources are added from those defectors and whatever explotiations they give them.

Poor argumenting at work... People aren't material you know...

Anyway I asked Darius about this, and thus I'll await his answer...

[Commander Zane]

The only thing I see reading all this is the first character that appears on this video.

[General Battuta]

The lightspeed thing is a plot hole. Best fanwank I can come up with is that GTVA ships don't have the life support capacity for journeys that long without replenishment...urgh, kinda weak.

Anyway, the UEF in War in Heaven has been suggested to be at a military disadvantage compared to the GTVA (in spite of a probably larger population and infrastructure). So don't worry about it too much, Spectre, it sounds like Darius has it covered.

Yes, extremely weak given the presence of the Sanctuary, which survived without Earth for 50 years! The journey I presented would take 16 years... even at 1/10 of c it would still only be 40 years...

BP has shown the UE as a faction fully capable of building entire fleets much superior to the Great War fleets, which again, due to lack of resources is bullocks if all the UE has access to is Sol... So I'd like Darius to explain how UE suddenly has the resources to be a faction capable of fending off the GTVA... Don't get me wrong here, if the UE isn't then there is no real story to present, but it better have a really good and plausible explanation to show for.

They don't need squat, they just need what they have plus the people in the GTVA that defects.
Their resources are added from those defectors and whatever explotiations they give them.

Poor argumenting at work... People aren't material you know...

Anyway I asked Darius about this, and thus I'll await his answer...

He already answered you. Look up a bit.

If you don't have enough people to use your material, then yes, people are material; and there are so many resources in Sol alone (and the system is probably so well developed) that it could probably out-produce the rest of the GTVA if it wanted to.

But again, all the evidence so far suggests that the UEF is outnumbered and out-performed by GTVA ships. So nothing for you to worry about, right?

The lightspeed plothole is an issue with Freespace in general, not with Blue Planet.

[Rodo]

what I'm really waiting for from BP WIH is to see the actual ramifications of the basic Terran technologies, what have humans on earth accomplished??
have they developed some cutting edge technology??
have they upgraded what they had (in terms of warfare)?
has the system been completely conquered , explored and united under one single and unopposed faction which rejoins willingly all humans?


or... as evidenced on AOA, humans are still too far away from illumination or ascention?

[Snail]

The Shivans need to be replaced.

[Titan]

I think the GTVA will win, since they have the GTD Capella.

[Commander Zane]

The Shivans need to be replaced.

It would be nice to fight more modern Shivans.

[Dilmah G]

@SPECTRE87

The GTVA's been in numerous wars since they lost contact with Earth. This would've ravaged the GTVA and they would've eventually recovered. However we can assume the UE's been fairly lax on the warfront and have used the 50+ years they've had without the GTA breathing down their necks to build a large and expansive fleet with whatever resources they had. And there are 8 planets in the Sol system, we can assume most of them contain various resources that the GTA wouldn't have tapped into, and Jupiter etc being gas giants, the UE has a plentiful supply for the reactors of their ships (Remember "Into the Maelstrom"? The Colly needed that gas to power its reactor or whatnot). They may have much, much, larger ships or ships that bore much greater sheer power with reactors with limitless resources.