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What is the most useless weapon in [email protected]?

Morning Star
8 (13.3%)
Lamprey
32 (53.3%)
Circe
2 (3.3%)
Inferno
9 (15%)
Stiletto
4 (6.7%)
Other
5 (8.3%)

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Voting closed: March 13, 2002, 11:20:06 am

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Offline Sandwich

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No reason to close this just because it's old... the discussion's still relatively on topic.

Flak can be quite powerful against other capships. You just never really get to see it in action in such a manner since it usually is targeting all the fighters flying around.
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Flak can be quite powerful against other capships.
Indeed.  I've seen flak do some pretty serious damage against other capital ships in close combat.
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It's effectiveness lies in the rapid fire rate and range... you just can't escape it quickly when need to, and it never stops...

 

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Uhm a lot of people said Lamprey sucks. It actually does not, I used to believe so until I tried it out in multiplayer. It drains the guns and the afterburners, which make it REALLY useful in an Erinyes, or in an Aeolus duel where two people take an Eri with maxims and shoot the enemy aeoluses. So if the guy going after the Erinyes takes a Lamprey, he can delay the Erinyes from shooting more than it would take him to actually kill him. Lamprey is very effective against Erinyes...renders the ship useless.

Circe is the most unecessary weapon. It's damage/usefulness fades to what a PromS and Kayser can do. Kayser has 5 points to sheild, circe has 6, however circe doesnt have any hull, while kayser has 6...and morningstar is a tactical weapon, which has proven its usefulnes so much that it is a standard issue in a herc2 multiplayer...

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Multiplayer guns have been heavily modified for balance by Volition, BD. You can't compare multi to single.
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I still think the Prometheus R is the most useless weapon. At least the Lamprey, Circe and the rest have something that they are fairly good against, but the R cannot do anything well; it sucks in just about every conceivable way. :p

The sm1-03 mission is a nice example of flak in action against warships btw.

 

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I still think the Prometheus R is the most useless weapon. At least the Lamprey, Circe and the rest have something that they are fairly good against, but the R cannot do anything well; it sucks in just about every conceivable way. :p
 


Actually, I liked the Prom. R-Subach combo for a while, but the second the Prom. S came in, ;7 the Shivans got what the nasty arse-kicking that was overdue them.
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The Circe is great.  My prefered weapon loadout is almost always a Maxim-Circe combo.  Great in conjuction against fighters, and flipping off the Circe to take down capital ships works wonderfully.  It is the most versatile combination around, and consumes less energy than dual Kaysers.
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i dont even want to know who put Stilleto under useless weapons.... :doubt:

I love using it in multi just for taking down those pesky anti-fighter beams on corvettes and cruisers (but, of course, I use the treb for that too :D ).

Morning Star- Excellent single player weapon as well as multi. I use it mainly to shove Shivan bombers off and to shoot their bombs down (if you do it right, you can move larger ships like cruisers too).

Lamprey-Like people said before, use it to drain the guns and afterburners on other ships in muti; useless in SP tho.

Circe- Fully agree with Sesq on this. Use it with the Maxim and you've got a lotta dead Shivans (or anything else with shields for that matter), especially then placed on a Herc II (little energy consumption; good gun placement).

Inferno- I use this in the Bastion mission occasionally, mainly to give the Shivan bombers (especially Nephilim and Seraphim) a little surprise and pain. I use in MP mainly to damage cruisers/corvettes and to damage escort fighters packed in tightly.

As long as we're on the subject....

Prometheus R - Love the Subach-Prom. R combo; Subach depletes shields while the Prom dishes the damage; grows useless after the Prom. S comes into service.

Tempest-Excellent for wasting Fenrises (no kidding? :D); more seriously, takes out large turrets (like the Orion's main guns, the Hecate's flak turrets, and the Aeolus's guns) with ease; can fit 400 of them in the Herc II's second back.

Hornet-Good mainly because of the amount carried. Wastes old transports easily (ex. Azrael, Isis, Elysium). Aside from that, nothing really good there. And, like the Prom. R, becomes outdated when the Tornado comes into service.

Pirahna - Overrated. People say its great for surpressing fighters, though it doesn't really work well when i use it; mainly just used to pester enemy fighters and shake 'em up a bit by the shockwave, which lets you get a good aim with Harpoons.

EMP-Awesome for escort missions; scrambles enemy bombers tracking systems and sends them off course.

Those should be all the *pathetic* weapons.
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The Circe is great. My prefered weapon loadout is almost always a Maxim-Circe combo. Great in conjuction against fighters, and flipping off the Circe to take down capital ships works wonderfully. It is the most versatile combination around, and consumes less energy than dual Kaysers.


Meh,I sued to agree with you, but I think the Kayser/maxim is better if you are going to go that way. You trade one shield damage for 6 hull ...


anyways, I could never hit anything other than the occasional bomber or cruiser with the hornet.. :blah:

Inferno is kind of a more fun weapon than good one. Splosions'
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Prometheus R - Love the Subach-Prom. R combo; Subach depletes shields while the Prom dishes the damage; grows useless after the Prom. S comes into service.


Even against hull though, it's not that great. It does a respectable amount of damage per shot, but the firing rate is pretty low, so overall the Subach actually does more damage. (Prom R does about 578 damage to hull in 10 seconds while Subach does 675 over the same period) The shield and subsystem capabilities are even much worse. Add to the fact that the shots move somewhat slowly, and it makes one wonder what the engineers were smoking when they designed this thing. :p :D

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Actually, I liked the Prom. R-Subach combo for a while, but the second the Prom. S came in,  the Shivans got what the nasty arse-kicking that was overdue them.


lol yeah the S was a really big advance over any previously available weaponry; the first time I saw it I had the same thought... (wait until the shivans see this! :D)
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joey...someone vote bumped this...look at the post dates...just let it die back into obscurity...


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Not my fault... it was laying plain on the front page of this forum so I figured it had to be new. :p

 

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Meh,I sued to agree with you, but I think the Kayser/maxim is better if you are going to go that way. You trade one shield damage for 6 hull ...
But the energy consumption, man, the energy consumption.  The Circe does 112.5 units of shield damage per second while comsuming 2.5 energy units, while the Kayser does 100.8 but consuming 4.8 energy units!  Yes, you are getting hull damage too, but only for the five seconds before your reserves are depleted.  I HATE running out of weapon energy.

Same reason why I never take a Kayser on an Erinyes.  All those guns, and only two shots off per minute.  :rolleyes:
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In an Ares you can have kayser/maxim and not run out of energy. I think, been a while anyways, so I may be wrong.

 

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It last longer, but not forever. the mission with the moloch and the nebtuu I usually use the Ares with kaysers and maxims.

By the time I get enough power distributed to each system, I'm cruising at about 51 m/s and My guns run out of power in like 6 seconds of sustained fire. If you can measure it by that.
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I always find the Prom S a bit more useful than the Kayser.  It doesnt use as much energy, has longer range (i think, check the Tbls), and only does slightly less damage.  Loaded into the double slot of certain fighters (myrm etc) to preserve fire rate, its a very nice weapon indeed :nod:

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Yeah, the Prometheus S actually does have a couple of advantages over the Kayser. The range is 1500 over the Kayser's 950, and the projectile speed and energy consumption are slightly superior (750 and 1.0 compared to 650 and 1.2), so it is the weapon of choice against fast moving stuff such as Dragons. There is a significant difference in the overall damages though due to the Kayser's faster rate of fire (prometheus does 771.43 and 857.14 in ten seconds to hull and shields respectively while kayser does 1120 and 1008).

 

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Storywise, the Kayser has the big advantage that it can be produced without Argon (ie. without contact with earth or the Shivan nebula.)
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Kayser is my choice for quickly chewing up a wing of Shivan bombers


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