Sorry I have been out of this for a bit lots of work and real life goings on. I am not responding to specific posts here I am just throwing a few things on the flames.
International law states that occupying land is not illegal in itself, during war it's allowed to temporarily occupy land, but once the hostilities are over, occupied territory has to be left completely. You show me when Palestinians have ceased hostilities since 1967? If they would put half the effort of destroying Israel into building a country of their own they would have had one 40 years ago.
From another forum:
"Another amusing thing is that, now all the Arabs are calling for the 1967 borders, why is then that before 1967 they were all so determined to do away with Israel anyway ? So they lost the wars... and now they want to make peace by trading it for what they lost when they lost the war ? thats hilarious."
"After they lost [in 1948], Jordan and Egypt illegally occupied Judea, Samaria and Gaza from 1948 through 1967. And in all those years there was no movement by the Arabs to liberate from Jordan and Egypt those lands."
Here is an interesting report from a doctor in Gaza in
the article they quote from ynet it's interesting how even the IDF dosn't agree with his low figures on the death toll. Is the doctor lying? Is he uninformed? Or does the IDF want people to belive the death toll was higher as a scare tactic? Woud be interesting to know.
Here are some videos on how much Hamas cares about the Palestinians. They can shove that %90 of their budget straight up their asses for this. It goes on and on and on... It's sad that I didn't even have to try and find this stuff it's all right there dozens of videos on youtube alone.
In the last few days I have been thinking allot about what kind of differences there are in upbringings and culture that makes people so very different in every way. I also ran across the following while reading a novel the other day I thought it described what I was thinking about.
"The problem with you Americans (I would say most of western civilization) is that you don't believe in evil. The CIA and FBI and definitely the guys at State don't properly anticipate horrible, catastrophic events because they don't really believe in the presence of evil, the presence of a dark and wicked and nefarious spiritual dimension that drives some men to do the unthinkable. Saddam Hussein, for example. Saddam tells the world for years that he has a territorial claim on Kuwait. Builds up his armed forces. Develops weapons of mass destruction. moves troops to the border. Signals everyone he's going in. But all the boys and girls and the CIA and DIA say Saddam won't do it. Just wants to drive up the price of oil. Just saber rattling. Just flexing his muscles. Couldn't possibly invade. Why would he? It would make no sense. It would be irrational. No Arab nation has ever invaded another Arab nation. Why start now? On the one hand you say that Saddam is a rational person but a liar. He says he'll invade Kuwait, but you say he doesn't mean it. He's just lying. He's just bluffing. He's just playing with our heads. But then when he did invade you decided he was a lunatic - crazy, Unpredictable, irrational, a nut case. Saddam Hussein was not a lunatic and, in that case, he wasn't a liar. He was rational and calculating and evil. So he told the world what he was going to do - commit an act of evil, not and act of madness - and then he did it. It took a bunch of highly paid analysts with Harvard degrees to completely miss the simplicity of the moment. I believe Saddam Hussein is (was) both capable of and prone to acts of unspeakable evil, and you don't. I'm right and you're wrong. It's not because I know more than your government. I don't. I know less. But I believe that evil forces make evil men do evil things."
I believe this speaks straight to the issue at hand because we can all argue this thing into the ground but at the end of the day we see this whole thing very differently. I believe that many of these people, especially Hamas (who are in charge), are evil. They have stated it, they have prepared for it, they have done it, and they don't hide it. So many people I talk to about this situation believe that Hamas has somehow fallen from their original goals of the destruction of Israel and that all they want now is the 1967 borders and a place to call Palestine because there is no way a terrorist organization with the will means and history of evil would ever lie cheat steal murder and deceive the whole world if they could to achieve their goals because after all they are only human beings right?
Well ladies and gents. There is such a thing as evil human beings and if you wouldn't put it past these people to do one of the most horrific of human actions and intentionally murder innocent people how can you put it past them to do one of the most basic human actions that every man woman and child alive has done, lie.
