[Lucika]

As for the Psamtic, well, what was she famous for? Blowing up a damaged corvette?

Come on, show me how can YOU take down a damaged corvette in one shot!

[Droid803]

Its easy with paired Helios.
Or with SSLs, or any other type of bomber-primary.

[GTSVA]

Boom.

[admiral_wolf]

I think Goober was talking about how the PVD Hope...

Spoiler:

Kamikazes the Hades

...in ST:R

I'm sure the PVD Hope featured in a FS1 mission where you had to protect it when it jumps in at 36%, if you protect it, it takes over from you guarding the Beta Aquilae Comms terminal.  If it's lost, it's replaced by the PVD Pinnacle.

[GTSVA]

I'm sure the PVD Hope featured in a FS1 mission where you had to protect it when it jumps in at 36%, if you protect it, it takes over from you guarding the Beta Aquilae Comms terminal.  If it's lost, it's replaced by the PVD Pinnacle.

I remember that mission!!

[ShivanSpS]

i cant EVEN see the Psamtik when it got blow up and the effect of "oh crap, there are more Sathanas" was bigger than the blow up of a Vasudan destroyer in a nebula enviroment.

The Galatea was the more painfull loss of a destroyer, also the dialogs made it to the player feel it.

The Psamtik was... "another one bites the dust".

The problem with the Repulse is, it got blow up before actually do the suicide attack. Its like thinking of the PVD Hope being destroyed by Hades beams before do the attack, it just... it misses something to be epic, there is nothing worse than a failed suicide attack.

[eliex]

Its like thinking of the PVD Hope being destroyed by Hades beams before do the attack, it just... it misses something to be epic, there is nothing worse than a failed suicide attack.

You can put it as the Hope's admiral finally being tempted by the Vasudan HoL side . . . 

[Coolhand1980]

Why do these destroyers, when faced with certain death, only luanch 2 or 3 wings instead of every available fight/bomber? They should be pumping out 50 fighters when they are in a do or die situation.

[Droid803]

Well, if they did spit out their entire compliment, it'd be a BoE.
It's most likely because most of a destroyer's squadrons are away flying other missions, and have only a few reserve wings on board for defense.

[eliex]

Just adding to Droid's post, it is generally agreed that a destroyer does not usually participate in minor skirmishes or even cap-ship engagements unless the odds were in their favour and so has limited active squadrons for defence.

An example is the Aquitaine when it got attacked a a small Shivan force prior to the mission Argonautica - with most of its squadrons flying elsewhere it was vulnerable to attack.

[Ziame]

For me, a major destroyer death was the one of Carthage... I was playing on Insane back then, and I just shut the FreeSpace down, crying, NO! Not the carthage!


NOT AGAIIIIN!!!

[Coolhand1980]

Well, if they did spit out their entire compliment, it'd be a BoE.
It's most likely because most of a destroyer's squadrons are away flying other missions, and have only a few reserve wings on board for defense.

I don't buy that because how many times do we see a destroyer warp in, with presumidly its entire complement of fighters, and then proceed to launch 7 fighters instead of dozens. I would think that FS carrier tactics would be similiar to modern day carrier tactics, where you have a fighter squadron spread out 360 degrees doing CAP with the bomber squadrons waiting to strike in the hanger, along with the strike force escort fighters.

[Snail]

Why do these destroyers, when faced with certain death, only luanch 2 or 3 wings instead of every available fight/bomber? They should be pumping out 50 fighters when they are in a do or die situation.

I was just thinking about this the other day while playing "Paving the Way".

It may have something to do about the fact that the destroyers may carry hundreds of fighters, but deploying them is another matter completely. The destroyer might not be able to carry enough fuel, weapons, missiles, energy cores, etc. etc. for all ships to be deployed at the same time even though the ships might be in its hangar. That may be why we have logistics convoys like from "Into the Maelstrom".

[Droid803]

Well, I can't speak for user-made campaigns, but my explanation is accurate for at least 80% of cases in canon FS1, STR, and FS2.

The Carthage was deployed in a rather strange position...I mean, the Sobek was more than sufficient. They may not have felt threatened enough to deploy fighter squadrons. A single Cain and a few Nephilims should be a piece of cake for the assault fighters already on station. I guess they thought that with the extra firepower, it'd be even less necessary.

The SD Ravana's fighter compliment was likely what you fought in the earlier missions in the Nebula. If you count, it'd be pretty low on fighters by the time it was attacked.

Well, in the main FS2 campaign, the NTD Repulse probably had most of its squadrons going around Epsilon Pegasi, and it decided to take action with only its defensive compliment of a wing or two, because it was to kill a single Leviathan having its way with two Fenris cruisers.

The Aquitaine, probably had its wings on other missions in Proving Grounds...though I kinda doubt this one... (Alpha One saved the day anyway, so no problem here). As noted, it was attacked by the SC Urobach while its wings were likely away on mission.

The NTD Uhuru and NTD Vindicator likely had there attached fighter wings gradually stripped from them as they ran multiple consecutive jump node blockades. Which is why that when they were attacked, they had little left to respond with.

The Pheonecia...well, hell I don't know. Command was smoking crack. Only reason to explain why they expect a Hecate to be able to slow the Sath even one second.

The Beleth had likely used up most of its squadrons assisting the Sathanas. After the destruction of the Ravana, you can assume that most of the fighters you faced came from the Sath or the Beleth.

The Psamtik had its squadrons on other missions, most likely, or didn't see the need to deploy them. (In fact, the Psamtik's own guns are more than sufficient to repel all the fighters and bombers the Shivans throw at it without the player's squadrons interfering). The Sath just jumps in and smokes it. Not a chance to react.

The Beast probably used all its squadrons attacking the GTVA convoys and stuff (though they could have also come from Saths).

The Nebiros was never in any real danger.

The Bastion carried no fighters, since it was decommissioned and as used as a massive meson-bomb carrier.

[Snail]

I kinda don't buy that they were deployed elsewhere in the system.

[Droid803]

Why not?
It has been canonically stated that the Krios was attacked while its compliment was away on a mission (in fact, you witness it).

[Coolhand1980]

Lets just cut the bull here...basically the FS engine can't handle the maount of fighters that the tech specs from FS list out. The freaking Collussus wouldn't send it's 300+? Fighters elsewhere while it's hanging on for dear life in a duel against a Sathanas. Do you remember watching the opening cinematics where the new GTVA fleet goes by the wreckage of the denab battle? That's the type of fleet you should encounter, a deastroyer with several cruisers, frigates as escorts and several wings of fighters flying escort as well.

[Snail]

Why not?
It has been canonically stated that the Krios was attacked while its compliment was away on a mission (in fact, you witness it).

In some cases, but not in all cases.

[Mobius]

Collussus

Welcome to the HLPBB!!!

The Aquitaine, probably had its wings on other missions in Proving Grounds...though I kinda doubt this one... (Alpha One saved the day anyway, so no problem here). As noted, it was attacked by the SC Urobach while its wings were likely away on mission.

The Aquitaine then jumped back to Delta Serpentis so its kind of strange that none of its qings returned back in time to support the Vasudan wings protecting the destroyer. Argonautica is a relatively long mission, I may add, so each and all of the Aquitaine's fighter had a chance of returning back. I'm not sure about the bombers, there weren't that many Shivan ships there, but who knows...

I believe many of its spacecraft were trapped inside when the Urobach and its escort incapacitated the fighterbay.

The Beleth had likely used up most of its squadrons assisting the Sathanas. After the destruction of the Ravana, you can assume that most of the fighters you faced came from the Sath or the Beleth.

I guess the Shivans had more than two warships with carrier capabilities back then(Moloch corvettes excluded).

[Lucika]

Its easy with paired Helios.
Or with SSLs, or any other type of bomber-primary.

I meant by hand, without a ship