[Lucika]

The title is self-explanatory.
Which would win?

[terran_emperor]

ARe we talking vanilla FS1 hades and Lucy, vanilla FS2 Hades and Lucy, SCP FS2 Hades and Lucifer or FSPort SCP Hades and Lucifer?

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Depends of which one can bring the most beams to bear. That, and if the Hades can keep the Shivan fighters/bombers off its beam turrets (the Lucy doesn't have that problem, it's shielded). IMHO.

[terran_emperor]

well like i said.

Vanilla FS1 Lucy and Hades are armed with Shivan Super Lasers
Vanilla FS2 Lucy armed with SReds and Hades with BGreens both have less HP than FS1 versions
SCP FS2 Lucy and Hades seem to me be basically a more purdy Hades and the Port Lucy with Vanilla FS2 weapons and stats and no shields
ST:R/FS Port Lucy has 4 SSL Beams and Shields possibly more turrets - Hades is the Hades Mk II model possibly upgraded with more turrets. No idea if their HP is altered.

Id sat that the Port/ST:R versions of the Hades and Lucifer are the strongest.

As to which of them would win. id say face to face, it could probably go either way. Most likely to the Lucifer since it actually has shields. In a broad side engagement, id say the Lucifer would win since it has an SSL Beam weapon on either side

[Lucika]

Vanilla FS1 versions 1 on 1 (no fighters, bombers etc.)

[Rick James]

Assuming a straight fight with both vessels approaching each other head-on, the Lucifer has a slight advantage because all non-beam weapons on the Hades can't penetrate that lovely shield of omgwtfbbq invulnerability. The Hades would probably stand a better chance if it could establish a superior position against the Lucifer, particularly if it jumped in to the Lucifer's rear quarter.

[redsniper]

Does the Lucy have "Invulnerable" checked in FRED?

[terran_emperor]

I'm going just by the models and their TBL entries

[Droid803]

They'd be the same if you're talking about FS1 table wise.
Both have the same amount of HP (800k), and have two Shivan Super Lasers, and can bring both of them to bear if optimally positioned (Hades' Top facing the Lucifer's Front)
It'd be down to luck and which one takes out the other's SSLs first.

In FS2, the Hades has 50% the HP of the Lucifer (400k), but has 2 BGreens, giving it much more firepower than the Lucifer, as it only has 2 SReds. Someone said that the Lucifer would be target practice for an Orion in FS2, so I'm putting my money on the Hades in a FS2 battle.

[terran_emperor]

They'd be the same if you're talking about FS1 table wise.
Both have the same amount of HP (800k), and have two Shivan Super Lasers, and can bring both of them to bear if optimally positioned (Hades' Top facing the Lucifer's Front)
It'd be down to luck and which one takes out the other's SSLs first.

In FS2, the Hades has 50% the HP of the Lucifer (400k), but has 2 BGreens, giving it much more firepower than the Lucifer, as it only has 2 SReds. Someone said that the Lucifer would be target practice for an Orion in FS2, so I'm putting my money on the Hades in a FS2 battle.

Well, the Port/ST:R

Hades has beams and 5 engine subsystems
Lucy - 4 SSL Beam Turrets and shields...so

[Droid803]

FSPort/ST:R?

Ok...lets see... the Lucifer can bring all four of its SSLbeams to fire on a forward target (thanks to the 180 degree fire arc on its side beams). The Hades can bring four as well (though it has a total of five, two are on opposite sides and one is on the bottom, so optimum would still be facing top, or broadside, with one broadside beam inactive, or the bottom one inactive).

Beams bypass shields, so that's a moot point pretty much, and they have the same HP if I recall, so it'd still be pretty even.

The Hades is supposed to be a recreation of the Lucifer, and in that regard, I think it succeeds pretty well.

[Galemp]

I don't remember the Port Lucifer having beam turrets mounted on the sides in-game.

[Droid803]

Does it not? I thought they were just locked, like how all but any two of the Hades's beams always are in ST:R.
I must have been mistaken then. Rather, most of us were

[Mars]

Y'all are forgeting that subsystems on the vanilla hades die instantly. The Lucifer would win, hands down, because within a couple of seconds the Hades would be disabled.

[Rick James]

Y'all are forgeting that subsystems on the vanilla hades die instantly. The Lucifer would win, hands down, because within a couple of seconds the Hades would be disabled.

That depends on the position of both the Lucifer and Hades during the fight. The Hades tends to be disabled by other Terran or Vasudan vessels easily because they employ slash-type anti-capital beams, while the Shivans have only ever used direct fire versions. Slash beams tend to rake across subsystems and disable them; direct fire beams rarely do.

[Droid803]

I was basing my evaluations on the two ships being stationary, being optimally positioned, so not being able to move not mean a thing.
Besides, if they were mobile, the Lucifer would eventually turn and be unable to hit the Hades with its main weapons anyway. (Unless you're counting the Lucifer as having side-mounted SSLbeams, but then the Hades still has the advantage because its SSLBeams are spaced on all side of the hull).

[Androgeos Exeunt]

You have a new icon, Droid.

But yeah, the Hades in FS2 is ridiculous because it gets disabled too easily. Ever played JAD:SSE? The harbringer usually gets disabled less than TEN SECONDS into the mission.

[Droid803]

Is getting disabled such a disadvantage for a capital ship? They hardly move anyway, and when they do, its usually into a position where it's poorly positioned engage the enemy.
The Harbinger manages to finish of the SD ph34r (or whatever) just fine...or were you talking about the mission that comes after?

@Icon: Yeah, a few other people do too

[S-99]

i wanna toss in the derelict lucy. that one was scary!

[Killer Whale]

Or maybe INFR1s with two BFReds