[karajorma]

Congratulations on losing the argument by Godwining yourself Maje.

[Nuclear1]

One of the oldest arguments in the book. Unfortunately, that was back in the days when people marched in a line and didn't have weapons much more advanced than muskets and rifles. See what a hunting rifle or a handgun is going to do against a tank or a helicopter.

[maje]

Congratulations on losing the argument by Godwining yourself Maje.

Kara, it's cool if you want flamethrowers on your car, but your gas consumption is going to go up crazy.  If you think that you're paying out the butt now....

[Nuclear1]

[karajorma]

Kara, it's cool if you want flamethrowers on your car, but your gas consumption is going to go up crazy.  If you think that you're paying out the butt now....

If you're getting carjacked often enough that it makes a difference to your fuel consumption I'd suggest you might want to think about changing your lifestyle.

Perhaps you really don't need a diamond encrusted car after all.

[Polpolion]

If you're getting carjacked often enough that it makes a difference to your fuel consumption I'd suggest you might want to think about changing your lifestyle.

Perhaps you really don't need a car encrusted diamond after all.

fixed

[iamzack]

Also, with regards to school shootings:  most schools have police officers in them for a reason.  Students and teachers don't need to come to school packing weapons.  And what would happen if we had another Columbine or Virginia Tech, and some other student with a gun tried to be a hero?  What would happen if some truly sick mind bent on killing people saw someone trying to resist?  It would only make it worse.

I agree that students and teachers probably shouldn't be allowed to carry guns in school. That's overkill. But we aren't even allowed to carry mace. I'm not worried about defending myself from a Columbine-type event. I'd just like to be able to defend myself against a mugger in the neighborhood long enough to get to a safe area. School shootings are pretty rare. Muggings are much less rare. In fact, some mace would have been really handy freshman year when I had a somewhat intimidating stalker who I knew carried a knife. XP

[Grizzly]

You know, guns should be legalized for everyone, everywhere. Helps fight over-population.

[Pred the Penguin]

But that's what nukes are for...

[blackhole]

You know, guns should be legalized for everyone, everywhere. Helps fight over-population.

This becomes an issue when the smart people start getting gunned down instead of the stupid people.

[Kosh]

@Kosh: They should worry more about getting rid of the use of ancient oil tech and put more effort into using alternatives than cracking down on who burns what on their property. Smoke stacks and cars give off much more. Society is so hypocrite here.

Portland is a small city and Oregon is a small state (in terms of population), beyond building an excellent mass transit system (as Portland has done) there isn't anything else that can be done at such a small scale. It would take hundreds of millions, perhaps even billions of dollars of battery research to come up with something practical. As it stands, non-oil based vehicles are too expensive. If they didn't also regulate burning the pollution problem would be even worse. It isn't hippocritical at all, it's doing what can be done on the scale they have to work with.

[Nuke]

You know, guns should be legalized for everyone, everywhere. Helps fight over-population.

This becomes an issue when the smart people start getting gunned down instead of the stupid people.

if you were smart you would load hollow points instead of fmj and then you would spend time improving your aim.

[Daniel P]

You know, guns should be legalized for everyone, everywhere. Helps fight over-population.

This becomes an issue when the smart people start getting gunned down instead of the stupid people.

if you were smart you would load hollow points instead of fmj and then you would spend time improving your aim.

This discussion really reminds me of Streets of Sim City.

I got that game. 

[Rick James]

****e, accidentally delorted that post.

Anyway, hollow point and FMJ rounds are only so useful. I prefer more esoteric ammunition. Anything with tungsten, really.

[Nuke]

id use u238, if it wasnt illegal, or radioactive

holowpoints are only really useful against flesh, the wouldnt even dent armor at all. fmj is ok if it has velocity (as in rifle rounds), otherwise youre better off with hollow point. tephlon coated works for light armor, like what the cops wear. anything more than that has pretty much an auto-detonation requirement.

[BengalTiger]

Divorce rate in the US anyone?

I'd worry more about the parents that never get married. If I'd have a half hour I'd search google for cases of 17 year old criminals who have 6 children with 4 mothers, and I'd probably find dozens.

I'm actually planning to hang one close to the front door. Along with the 1000 Watt flashlight, of course. Maybe I could also change the weak 40 W lamp outdoors to something more sparky. Like a 300 W Cermax. Directed right in the eye. The bad thing is that I probably would never use it! 

Mika

NO!!!

Which way do you expect someone to break into your house? The chimney?

The front door is an obvious entry point, and a quarterstaff there would be both obstructed by the intruder and in his reach before you could get it. Also- where the hell do you get a kilowatt flashlight? Me wants. 

You know, guns should be legalized for everyone, everywhere. Helps fight over-population.

I've heard the same about highways with no speed limts. That autobahns help fight overpopulation.

P.S. Should I search for that Gun Town USA article again? Or how Chicago's handgun ban affects the murder rate with handguns?

[Nuke]

* Nuke watches all 5 deathwish movies

[karajorma]

P.S. Should I search for that Gun Town USA article again?

Go for it. I'll enjoy pointing out how the claims that are frequently made about how it affected the burglary rate are complete bollocks.

[Grizzly]

Looking at the article, the basic problem is that if everyone is allowed to buy a gun without restrictions, I (an awfully big and very friendly guy) would not buy one, because I would never think I need one. A burglar however, would, since buying a gun legally is much easier then buying one illegally (you would have to find a retailer, for one), and then, I am facing a problem: When the gun laws where still in place, and there was a 'hot burglary', I could fight the burglar, or scare him off (I am bigger!). Now, he has a gun. When I attempt to fight him or scare him off, I might just get shot.

I might prevent this problem by buying a SPAS-12 shotgun, but that creates another problem: I just killed a (wo)man, and may have used to much force, making me a criminal and a murderer.

[BengalTiger]

If the burglar has a criminal record, he can't buy a gun legally (IIRC that's a Fed law, just like the age limit of 21). Kennesaw's law stated that all home owners should buy guns, it didn't allow all people to buy guns.

@Kara- The article was not about burglary rate, but about crime rate in general (which fell), and mass shootings everyone feared and predicted (which never happened).