[iamzack]

Well, yeah, but I'm talking about in the future as well. If I found out right now I was pregnant, I would think of it as a parasite and be extremely grossed/freaked out until it was removed.

[TrashMan]

No biologist in the world would agree with your definition of a baby as a parasite.

It's offspring, pure and simple.
Calling it a parasite is an insult to humanity and everything that is good and pure.

[Scotty]

Read:  nothing on this site, so we're good.

[iamzack]

Blah blah blah.

parasite: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host; it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting the host

[Scotty]

Benefit:  You pass on your genes to the next generation.

EDIT:  Whoa, forgot who I was talking to.

[colecampbell666]

No biologist in the world would agree with your definition of a baby as a parasite.

It's offspring, pure and simple.
Calling it a parasite is an insult to humanity and everything that is good and pure.

That's opinion, pure and simple. In biological terms, a parasite is, as zack said, something which feeds off of the host body giving no returns. This makes fetuses, in biological terms, parasites.

lrn2science

[TrashMan]

Blah blah blah.

parasite: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host; it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting the host

Also happens to be of a different species and not native to the bilogical workings of the host. And parasites also tend to live off the host pretty much indefinately.

A baby could be considered more of a symbiont. It carries your genes further and takes care of you when you're older...unless it puts you in the old folks home  that is...

Why the hell am I even debating this with you? It's so wrong there isn't a even a word to describe how wrong it is. It's not been invented yet.
It can't be invented because it would be too big and too long and too complex, since it would have to portray the amount of your wrongmess within itself, which is infinite.

[iamzack]

Great, I've potentially passed on bipolar, schizophrenia, diabetes, cancer, and endometriosis. Anti-benefit: I feel guilty about it.

I mean, if the woman is suicidal and she dies in childbirth, I guess that could be a benefit. *rolls eyes*

[iamzack]

A fetus is not really a true parasite, but it's relation to the mother is definitely parasitic.

[karajorma]

Benefit:  You pass on your genes to the next generation.

And how is that a benefit to you?

It's a benefit to the genes of course but how it that at all a benefit to you personally?

[iamzack]

They're trying to say it benefits the person emotionally, but that's really not relevant. What happens AFTER the baby is born is not the issue. It's what is happening while it is in the womb.

[Blue Lion]

You ever lose a kidney?

[colecampbell666]

Blah blah blah.

parasite: an animal or plant that lives in or on a host; it obtains nourishment from the host without benefiting the host

Also happens to be of a different species and not native to the bilogical workings of the host. And parasites also tend to live off the host pretty much indefinately.

A baby could be considered more of a symbiont. It carries your genes further and takes care of you when you're older...unless it puts you in the old folks home  that is...

Why the hell am I even debating this with you? It's so wrong there isn't a even a word to describe how wrong it is. It's not been invented yet.
It can't be invented because it would be too big and too long and too complex, since it would have to portray the amount of your wrongmess within itself, which is infinite.

More weasel wording, it changes nothing of what I said, it still feeds off of you without your consent. I do not see sex as consent, yes it's possible to become pregnant, but accidents do happen, and one mistake shouldn't ruin a year or more of your life.

[iamzack]

Much more than a year. Women are judged primarily by their appearance no matter what they are trying to achieve. Babies do not leave your body in very good condition. :[

[General Battuta]

So if you got pregnant, TrashMan, you'd carry it to term?

Before you answer, read this.

[Flipside]

I suppose my final take on the matter is that Abortion is not contraception, it shouldn't be used instead of contraception, it's potentially dangerous if done too often, and a great deal needs to be done to stop it being viewed as a form of contraception.

That said, a lot of the reason that it is used as contraception is because of poor Sex Education, difficulty in obtaining proper contraceptives etc. It's there that the problem needs to be attacked, to deal with this crazy Dogma over the use of contraceptives, the acceptance of such preventatives would do so much good around the world as far as dealing with STD's abandoned/murdered babies, overpopulation etc and if it were not for the ridiculous taboos put in place by certain religious establishments, simply because they want the Church to grow, the situation, I feel, would be markedly better in places like Africa.

[General Battuta]

Right, that I can agree on: abortion isn't contraception!

But if contraception fails, it seems a perfectly valid decision.

[Scotty]

I suppose my final take on the matter is that Abortion is not contraception, it shouldn't be used instead of contraception

*Scotty agrees

[iamzack]

Ehhh... "abortion is being used as contraception!" is a bad argument, I think.

If you think of it like a form of contraception, it's like "well, I could use a $3 condom or get a $300 abortion. hmmmmm."

[General Battuta]

Yeah, I think the common use of abortion as contraception is a myth akin to that of the welfare mom.