[Ghostavo]

Men disapproving/women approving doesn't make it less misogynistic.

You're right, I confused the term.

[General Battuta]

She has a really important point: most menwho say 'don't have sex if you don't want to have a baby' are speaking only to women.

Then they go out, complain about how they can't get laid, and look for somebody to have sex with. They're targeting female sexuality. Inherently misogynistic.

Some, however, do genuinely mean that nobody should have sex...but that still doesn't get around the fact that the woman has to deal with the consequences and the man doesn't.

[iamzack]

Of course, men's rights activists say "women have babies on purpose so they can leech money off you for the rest of your life!!!11"

*sigh*

[Flipside]

Men's Rights activists fail at biology...

[iamzack]

They fail at life, and I wish they would all ****ing die.

[Scotty]

 

[Flipside]

Well. I wouldn't go that far Next thing you know, people will be saying that about Women's lib as well, both sides have valid issues, but it's always drowned out by hysterical shrieking from the extremes.

Edit: Scotty, any way you can trim down that siggy a bit? It's 3 times larger than the post Just removing the blank lines should do it, but Admin have a habit of performing plastic surgery on siggies that get too long, so it's best to prune it yourself once in a while

[TrashMan]

Because that path sucks. Sex is way better than any damned vibrator.

It's not like I don't drive a car because I might kill somebody.

No, but if you do drive a car then you accept the responsibility if something should happen...like if you run over somebody. It doesn't matter if it's not you, but actually the breaks were wrong. Your car.
You can't just leave a bleeding man on the street and drive away, just cause you haven't planned it. "It's the fault of the damned breaks" you might say. Wouldn't matter to the court much or to the bleeding man.

Yep. We are back to blaming the mother for getting pregnant again. Despite Trashman claiming that's not the case.

Blaming? You're acting like getting pregnant is a horrible crime that no one wasn't to be associated with. Blame is the wrong word.
Responsible. And not just the mother. The father is responsible too and should get quatered publicly if he tries to dump the mother.

However, sex is a basic human need and right, along with food, shelter, belonging, and psychological well-being. It shouldn't be denied. Contraception allows people to access this need without fear of pregnancy (as well as finally bringing some much-needed gender equality.) If contraceptives fail, then abortion should be available.

What about the right to life? Doesn't any human have that?

There are plenty of people who don't have sex. Statistically, however, they suffer reduced lifespan and happiness compared to those who do -- in no small part due to the physical benefits of sex.

Bollocks. Reduced lifespan and happiness my ass.
Wait, are you counting self-plesuring under sex (as in - any sexual activity at all)? I want to see those statistics. And I doubt they would be very reliable..Since people tend to lie a lot when it comes to sex.

I was comparing killing to conceiving, not to killing.

Sex is a choice, driving is a choice. They can have consequences. The difference is that I can unconceive a baby. I can't unkill a person.

Saying "don't have sex if you don't want a baby" is inherently misogynistic.

You can't "unconcieve" in that sense...since unconcieve means to kill.

She has a really important point: most menwho say 'don't have sex if you don't want to have a baby' are speaking only to women.

Then they go out, complain about how they can't get laid, and look for somebody to have sex with. They're targeting female sexuality. Inherently misogynistic.

Let me put it this way:
If I, a man (who is more instinct and hormone driven than a woman) can keep my pants on, then so can a woman.

[iamzack]

Abortion is taking responsibility for your actions. The procedure isn't cheap or fun. NOT taking responsibility would be to pretend to not be pregnant, drink, smoke, etc, and then dump the baby in a dumpster when it comes out.

Humans have the right to life, but they do NOT have the right to live parasitically off of another person. Don't bring up social issues here. I'm talking biologically.

And finally, I don't WANT to keep my pants on. I want to have consequence-free sex, and that's my prerogative. If my contraceptive methods fail, and I choose not to have a baby, I will terminate the pregnancy. It's just that simple.

[Nuclear1]

For once I agree with iamzack.

[Scotty]

Admin have a habit of performing plastic surgery on siggies that get too long, so it's best to prune it yourself once in a while

It's been that way for at least a month, and nobody had noticed 

Abortion is taking responsibility for your actions.

Abortion is ducking out of the responsibility of parenting.  (hoo boy, I'm gonna feel the heat for that one.)

EDIT:  I changed the sig a bit anyway.

[iamzack]

Heh, trying to parent would be the irresponsible thing to do in many cases. Example: my parents.

[Scotty]

It was only irresponsible to society, and I think we all agree that society can go f*** itself.

[iamzack]

It was also irresponsible to me, my siblings, and themselves.

[Flipside]

Men can, if they are so inclined, run away from the repercussions of sex, women cannot, to my mind, men have no place judging what a woman chooses to do unless he is the other half of the pregnancy, and even then, I have no idea how to sort out a situation where the father wants the child but the mother does not, you simply cannot force a women to carry a baby to term against her wishes, the mere thought of doing that sends shivers down my spine at the possible social consequences.

When Sharon had her abortion, it was because of deformities in the foetus, which meant the child only stood a limited chance of surviving full-term, it wasn't an easy decision to make, but it was the only decision we could make, but at the end of the day, I left the final decision to her, either let go now, or risk the high chances of a miscarriage, or a severely disabled baby. In truth we had little choice, but the final choice can only realistically be the mothers.

[Sushi]

And finally, I don't WANT to keep my pants on. I want to have consequence-free sex, and that's my prerogative.

Everything has consequences. That's just a fact of life.

There's no such thing as "consequence-free sex" (or consequence-free anything for that matter).

[TrashMan]

And finally, I don't WANT to keep my pants on. I want to have consequence-free sex, and that's my prerogative.

Just cause you want something doesn't make it your right or your prerogative.

Heh, trying to parent would be the irresponsible thing to do in many cases. Example: my parents.

It's very hard, almost impossible actually,  to tell if someone is going to be a good or a bad parent. Becoming a parent changes things...dramaticely. It changes people...usually for the better.

Men can, if they are so inclined, run away from the repercussions of sex

If they try, they should be shot like the filthy pigs they are.

[Liberator]

Any man who runs from a responsibility like that, even if all he can do is get a job a McDonalds, should be punched in the face...repeatedly.

[Flipside]

Agreed, but regardless, it does happen, once you've totally removed a man's ability to avoid the responsibility of getting a woman pregnant, then you have an even playing field to start from.

Edit: Of course, by then no-one would be worrying about Abortion because of the drastic rise in Domestic arguments/violence from incompatible couples being jammed together.

[Ford Prefect]

And finally, I don't WANT to keep my pants on. I want to have consequence-free sex, and that's my prerogative.

Everything has consequences. That's just a fact of life.

There's no such thing as "consequence-free sex" (or consequence-free anything for that matter).

You can't deny someone a means of avoiding an unfortunate consequence and then tell them it's just a fact of life. If a woman wants an abortion but she can't get one because it's illegal, the "fact of life" at play here is not some metaphysical principle of action and consequence; it's the intervention of law. The people who made the law are the ones who decided which consequences are inescapable.