[Turambar]

Yep, TrashMan definitely hates freedom.  He should move to Iran, I think he'd like it better there.

I recall liking you... What ever was I thinking?

Well, we have the same opinions on the Israel Palestine conflict, but you seem to be all religious and socially conservative.

Iran is also religious and socially conservative.

[TrashMan]

Yeah, and Mnt. Everest and Jupiter are both big, if you get my meaning. Very different. Very.

[Turambar]

More similar than you'd think.  I bet abortions are illegal in Iran, and the government seems to take god very seriously, without all the separation of church and state nonsense we've got going in the USA

[redsniper]

separation of church and state ... in the USA

[Blue Lion]

Pain is included (according to the article and to what three of our friends here stated).

And if you remove me from a place against my will is violence. But i guess that we will not agree on this, will we?

My brother picks his son up and puts him in the crib.... against his will. This is not violence because he does not hurt him.

If you were asleep in a bed and we picked your bed up and put you outside (a great prank by the way) it is not violence because no pain was inflicted.

If you're in a car and I drive the car down the road but you want me to stop and I don't. I have moved you against your will. I did not hurt you though so no violence.

[iamzack]

Nonviolent kidnapping is still holding someone against their will is still illegal.

[redsniper]

Because painfully loud noises don't hurt, right?

[Blue Lion]

Nonviolent kidnapping is still holding someone against their will is still illegal.

Yes, that's why they're called "nonviolent" because they don't inflict pain.

[Blue Lion]

Because painfully loud noises don't hurt, right?

Loud decibel noises can cause ear damage. I really haven't seen a study that shows these devices by their frequency cause pain.

I've been asking for studies to show the damage it does to people and no one wants to give one. All I find are "we're not really sure" studies.

[TrashMan]

More similar than you'd think.  I bet abortions are illegal in Iran, and the government seems to take god very seriously, without all the separation of church and state nonsense we've got going in the USA

And more different than you think.
The problem is that in my example "big" isn't descriptive enough. Jupites is friggin enormeous and circular. Mnt Everest is a insignificant speck in comparison.

Same here. I don't consider being compared to Iraninan extremist even remotely accurate.

[iamzack]

Because painfully loud noises don't hurt, right?

Loud decibel noises can cause ear damage. I really haven't seen a study that shows these devices by their frequency cause pain.

I've been asking for studies to show the damage it does to people and no one wants to give one. All I find are "we're not really sure" studies.

But they are at 85dB which after a while can cause ear damage.

[Blue Lion]

Because painfully loud noises don't hurt, right?

Loud decibel noises can cause ear damage. I really haven't seen a study that shows these devices by their frequency cause pain.

I've been asking for studies to show the damage it does to people and no one wants to give one. All I find are "we're not really sure" studies.

But they are at 85dB which after a while can cause ear damage.

I saw from 65-75 db

[iamzack]

That wouldn't cause damage, but it's still louder than normal conversation. More than enough to give me a bloody headache when I'm just trying to put gas in my car or buy a damned soda.

[Ghostavo]

Because painfully loud noises don't hurt, right?

Loud decibel noises can cause ear damage. I really haven't seen a study that shows these devices by their frequency cause pain.

I've been asking for studies to show the damage it does to people and no one wants to give one. All I find are "we're not really sure" studies.

But they are at 85dB which after a while can cause ear damage.

I saw from 65-75 db

The BBC link I posted earlier says otherwise.

[peterv]

My brother picks his son up and puts him in the crib.... against his will. This is not violence because he does not hurt him.

If you were asleep in a bed and we picked your bed up and put you outside (a great prank by the way) it is not violence because no pain was inflicted.

If you're in a car and I drive the car down the road but you want me to stop and I don't. I have moved you against your will. I did not hurt you though so no violence.

Lovely logic. Here some more:

If i pick your brothers son up and put him in the crib against his and your brother's will, (EDIT: and then on my motorcycle for a quick ride) that wouldn't be violence etc.
If a were pretended to be asleep and you attempted to pick my bed, and then i'd grab a gun, force it into your mouth and then ask you nicely to strip and jump in my fathers pool in the middle of the winter, i wouldn't have hurt you etc.
If i were in a car bla bla bla.

What's all these nonsense have to do with the violation of basic human rights?

[Blue Lion]

Because painfully loud noises don't hurt, right?

Loud decibel noises can cause ear damage. I really haven't seen a study that shows these devices by their frequency cause pain.

I've been asking for studies to show the damage it does to people and no one wants to give one. All I find are "we're not really sure" studies.

But they are at 85dB which after a while can cause ear damage.

I saw from 65-75 db

The BBC link I posted earlier says otherwise.

Nevermind, found it.

[Blue Lion]

My brother picks his son up and puts him in the crib.... against his will. This is not violence because he does not hurt him.

If you were asleep in a bed and we picked your bed up and put you outside (a great prank by the way) it is not violence because no pain was inflicted.

If you're in a car and I drive the car down the road but you want me to stop and I don't. I have moved you against your will. I did not hurt you though so no violence.

Lovely logic. Here some more:

If i pick your brothers son up and puts him in the crib against his and your brother's will, that wouldn't be violence etc.
If a were pretended to be asleep and you attempted to pick my bed, and then i'd grab a gun, force it into your mouth and then ask you nicely to strip and jump in my fathers pool in the middle of the winter, i wouldn't have hurt you etc.
If i were in a car bla bla bla.

What's all these nonsense have to do with the violation of basic human rights?

Because you said it was violent. Violence requires pain.

You're arguing it's violent without pain. That's not violence, that's just sound then.

Secondly, what basic human right? The right to not hear sound? If he was playing jazz music, would it still be a violation? You're not arguing anything you're just running in circles hoping something comes up you can hold on to.

[Turambar]

More similar than you'd think.  I bet abortions are illegal in Iran, and the government seems to take god very seriously, without all the separation of church and state nonsense we've got going in the USA

And more different than you think.
The problem is that in my example "big" isn't descriptive enough. Jupites is friggin enormeous and circular. Mnt Everest is a insignificant speck in comparison.

Same here. I don't consider being compared to Iraninan extremist even remotely accurate.

And i'm not saying you're an extremist.  Iran is a place full of normal folks just like you and I.  Extremism's got nothing to do with it, I'm just saying that the basic set of rules for their society is more in-line with your ideals than the rampant freedom we're supposed to have in the USA

[peterv]

You're not arguing anything you're just running in circles hoping something comes up you can hold on to.

Yea, that's what I am doing 

[Grizzly]

Liberator and Trashman hate freedom.

Oh, I like freedom.
I just hate young people that have no decency, culture and respect.

QFT!

The problem is that the young people WITH decency, culture, and respect get buzzed too.