[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Styxx


I suppose all that Father, Son and Holy Spirit thing is all catholic bull**** then...

I hope you didnt mean offence when you said that, i really do hope....

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Zeronet
I hope you didnt mean offence when you said that, i really do hope....

No, I didn't. Why, you'd have taken offence if I meant?

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Styxx


No, I didn't. Why, you'd have taken offence if I meant?

Because im a Roman Catholic.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Because im a Roman Catholic.

All my family is roman catholic. I'm not one myself, but I respect all their beliefs.

[CODEDOG ND]

Thought it said in there in the old testament that it was a Trinity...I dont remember havent read it in awhile.  I've always been taught that God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit were different but yet all one being.  I dunno, something that our little pea brain minds can't understand.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by icespeed
further details on the father, son and holy spirit:
they're sort of like three aspects of one thing- they're all the same but they do different jobs, all going towards the one goal...
does that make sense?

Unfortunately, the magnitude of their relationship is very difficult to describe on human terms. St. Patrick used a 3-leafed clover to describe the way the Trinity were seperate, but the one entity; you can also think of them as the primary colours, that all come together to make white light. But, when it comes down to it...

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
I dunno, something that our little pea brain minds can't understand.

...this is as true as it gets. We have to learn to deal with a God who is so vast and awesome (that is, inspiring awe) that we can't understand him. Just like the sky - our minds think small, so we see the sky as flat, not round. It's the same with lots of things - predestination and free choice, for example. Add them together and you get something the human mind can't twist itself into understanding.

[CODEDOG ND]

Originally posted by Setekh


Unfortunately, the magnitude of their relationship is very difficult to describe on human terms. St. Patrick used a 3-leafed clover to describe the way the Trinity were seperate, but the one entity; you can also think of them as the primary colours, that all come together to make white light. But, when it comes down to it...



...this is as true as it gets. We have to learn to deal with a God who is so vast and awesome (that is, inspiring awe) that we can't understand him. Just like the sky - our minds think small, so we see the sky as flat, not round. It's the same with lots of things - predestination and free choice, for example. Add them together and you get something the human mind can't twist itself into understanding.

Bingo...

BTW, this is probably one of the first religious threads that made it 2 pages without getting closed.  Good Job guys.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
BTW, this is probably one of the first religious threads that made it 2 pages without getting closed.  Good Job guys.

He's right. I think we're... uhh, getting better?

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Setekh


He's right. I think we're... uhh, getting better?

I guess that's a good thing...
But damn, look what I've started! This whole religious thread out of a complete joke!
I feel special!

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Corsair
But damn, look what I've started! This whole religious thread out of a complete joke!
I feel special!

I suppose the intent was there, but a lot of people don't know about Passover. I see it as an opportunity to explain that which can save lives. Think of it like this:

Judgement Day has come, and everyone is headed on a huge pair of stairways - one up to Heaven, and one down to Hell. As you're walking up the stairs, someone you recognise walks past you, on the other set of stairs - down to Hell. He shouts to you...

"Hey! I knew you. How come you never told me about Jesus?"

Jesus is the ONLY way to be saved. And there's an eternity at stake. It's quite a serious matter.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Setekh
Jesus is the ONLY way to be saved. And there's an eternity at stake. It's quite a serious matter.

Maybe if you're a steak, Jesus is the only way to be saved, but for most regular people who aren't also food, there are other ways too.

[Setekh]

Hey, I'm not kidding...

[CODEDOG ND]

Originally posted by Setekh


I suppose the intent was there, but a lot of people don't know about Passover. I see it as an opportunity to explain that which can save lives. Think of it like this:

Judgement Day has come, and everyone is headed on a huge pair of stairways - one up to Heaven, and one down to Hell. As you're walking up the stairs, someone you recognise walks past you, on the other set of stairs - down to Hell. He shouts to you...

"Hey! I knew you. How come you never told me about Jesus?"

Jesus is the ONLY way to be saved. And there's an eternity at stake. It's quite a serious matter.

Fire in the hole!  

I bet the shooting will start now.

But yes it IS a serious matter.

[Corsair]

Everybody stay calm. We are the 158th Banshees and we are here to control the situation and prevent this thread from being locked.

[CP5670]

Blueflames was right; the R-word is the most volatile subject, at least on the internet...

I'm not going to go too much into my views on the matter (I'll be banned in five seconds if I do ), but the discussion seems to be progressing fine so far. Lets just try not to push our beliefs on others.

Wait, but uh...wouldn't it be just as nice to go to hell as heaven? You get to see and experience what the others aren't able to, so it would essentially be the same either way.

Just out of curiosity, where does the bible say that these places are located?

[Setekh]

Originally posted by CP5670
Blueflames was right; the R-word is the most volatile subject, at least on the internet...

I'm not going to go too much into my views on the matter (I'll be banned in five seconds if I do ), but the discussion seems to be progressing fine so far. Lets just try not to push our beliefs on others.

Wait, but uh...wouldn't it be just as nice to go to hell as heaven? You get to see and experience what the others aren't able to, so it would essentially be the same either way.

Just out of curiosity, where does the bible say that these places are located?

Yes, it certainly is a volatile subject. But that's because of its very nature - it touches on the very stuff of life.

I wouldn't mind if you put your views in on the matter. So long as you mean to be informative, there should be no problems. We just have to remember to stay level-headed and this will be fine.

The following are my opinions. I believe them to be true, but they are my opinion - any offense is not intended.[/i]

Don't joke about Hell, though. The Christian belief is (I won't say it IS, since though I believe it is true, I will for the sake of discussion leave it at that) that Hell is the ultimate punishment - separation from God. Since all good things come from God, you will be in a permanent state of non-goodness. It may sound funny when I say it like that, but in short, it is eternal death.

Heaven and Hell are, as far as I know, not physical places. After our physical bodies die, our spirit remains. It will suffer one of two fates - either being taken into complete separation from God, or being taken into perfect fellowship with God.

[Corsair]

Who is Blueflames?
and...
THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS KIND OF TRYING TO PUSH THEIR BELIEFS ON OTHERS IS THE PERSON WITH THE POWER TO BAN OTHERS!!!!!

It's good to be an admin, isn't it Setekh? I wish I was one.

EDIT: Oh look! now he's calmed down! (Jesus is the only way to be saved, right?)

[Grey Wolf]

Exactly! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our four...no... amongst our weapons.... amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

[Setekh]

The only BlueFlames I knew used to be a staffer at R128.

Originally posted by Corsair
THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS KIND OF TRYING TO PUSH THEIR BELIEFS ON OTHERS IS THE PERSON WITH THE POWER TO BAN OTHERS!!!!!

My mistake. My post has been adjusted with a big orange-red sign. Hope that helps.

The thing is, though, that Christianity is very different to other religions. Other religions either let you believe what you want, or don't give a toss whether you suffer eternal damnation or not. Christians see it like this: if someone is running off a cliff to their death, what do you do? You shout at them, and you shout loud!

[Grey Wolf]

I actually agree with Setekh. If you have a friend wanting to do a destructive thing to themselves, do you stop them or leave them alone? BTW, the Monty Python reference above is a joke.