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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
Assuming that it has awareness. Just because it responds to pain doesn't mean it is aware. It is just an automated response in this case. It can't know that it is there. It is too simple of a life form. Even if a life form is complex and has what we call intelligence, it doesn't necessarily mean it is aware. My computer has a lot of data and robots have sensory input with data, but it doesn't know it is there and has no awareness, for example. So I feel there must be more to consciousness than just a brain, a body, and intelligence.

Err on the side of caution.

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
Roger that, farmers < fish.

BTW, the topic is less about PETA than it is pig-headed, eco-zealots.

Don't try to tell me what a thread I started is about.

I'm not in the mood today to have someone put words in my mouth when I tell them not to hijack my thread. This thread is about PETA because of lot of people don't understand what that organisation actually stands for. That's something important because they make a lot of money and then use it to finance the legal defence of criminals.

The article you linked to on the other hand is likely to be controversial and has absolutely nothing to do with either PETA or animal cruelty. If you want to discuss it, get your own damn thread. 
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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
If I started caring about how people thought about me I wouldn't be able to sleep.

 

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_dead_fly

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The group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals wants the flyswatter in chief to try taking a more humane attitude the next time he's bedeviled by a fly in the White House.

PETA is sending President Barack Obama a Katcha Bug Humane Bug Catcher, a device that allows users to trap a house fly and then release it outside.

"We support compassion even for the most curious, smallest and least sympathetic animals," PETA spokesman Bruce Friedrich said Wednesday. "We believe that people, where they can be compassionate, should be, for all animals."


I have lots of respect for real anti-animal cruelty groups but PETA really do need to shut the **** up if this is the kind of crap they come up with.

Huh?

Obama kills a fly. Reporter calls PETA and asks what they think about it. A spokesman says that they support compassion even for flies and that they'll send Obama a bug catcher just for laughs, and that's "crap"? What would or could have any other anti-animal cruelty group done in that situation? Say they don't care about flies at all or just simply refuse to comment out of fear that someone will make it look like they got pissed off by Obama killing a fly even when they actually didn't?

The only thing about what PETA did in this particular case that stinks is shipping around a rather pointless piece of plastic. I can't see why or how being compassionate towards even insects or answering (which are pretty much the only other two possibilities) when asked would stink.

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
Nice first post.

 

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
:welcome:

The thing is, they're doing it all for publicity. The thing they sent him is PETA-Made and they're shamelessly promiting themselves. PETA is an extremist group, they lie on their page (See: Seal Hunting), they promote extremist activities such as firebombing, and they start ridiculous publicity stunts such as the Obama thing to get press coverage, when hey could be tackling real-life issues in a rational manner. Have you even seen the woman who governs the organization? She is mindblowingly naive and stupid.
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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
Let's just say I'm rather suspicious about PETA's claim that the news agencies approached them rather than the other way around.

Given the amount of attention whoring they do over trivially stupid stuff (like telling the Pet Shop Boys to change their name) I wouldn't put it past them for this to have been their idea not some unknown journalists.
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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
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Welcome to the HLPBB!!! :D

I agree with colecampbell666 - they almost certainly did it in order to promote themselves. Obama is a relevant person all over the word, so using him to promote the "Dicta Peta" was too much convenient.

Karajorma has summed up the problem with those guys, and I wholeheartedly agree with him. People trust them because they fight for an apparently good ideal, the protection and the preservation of animals. No one really cares about how they steal

I'd like to say that PETA is not alone. Here in Italy we have the LAV (Lega Anti-Vivisezione = Anti-Vivisection League) which carries on with comparable oddities. I found out what they really do and think by reading their own magazines... :ick:
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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
The thing is, they're doing it all for publicity.
Doing what? Answering a reporter, posting a more elaborate statement on their site when everyone is asking them about it or sending Obama a free catcher for publicity?

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The thing they sent him is PETA-Made and they're shamelessly promiting themselves.
So what? That's exactly the same as if Obama found, say, a paddle under his chair during an interview but no canoe, and then some canoe-maker would send him a canoe to go with his new-found paddle, obviously for the purposes of shamelessly promoting themselves and their canoes. Who cares?

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PETA is an extremist group, they lie on their page (See: Seal Hunting), they promote extremist activities such as firebombing,
Sure. Yet that has no relevance to my post.

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and they start ridiculous publicity stunts such as the Obama thing to get press coverage, when hey could be tackling real-life issues in a rational manner.
PETA didn't start this whole incredibly stupid ruckus about the fly, and absolutely nowhere have I seen any indication that they would have. If you have proof to the contrary, then please, share it. No one else has so far.

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Have you even seen the woman who governs the organization? She is mindblowingly naive and stupid.
I haven't, and frankly I don't care to.

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Let's just say I'm rather suspicious about PETA's claim that the news agencies approached them rather than the other way around.

Given the amount of attention whoring they do over trivially stupid stuff (like telling the Pet Shop Boys to change their name) I wouldn't put it past them for this to have been their idea not some unknown journalists.
Sure, that's fair enough then. I might be a bit suspicious of that myself.

  

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
So... PETA's minions would do nothing but cruise the internet whole the time looking for every board wherever someone dares to criticize their organization and then they strike... :eek:

sorry for this post but it just makes me wonder how people (who probably don't even know what this forum is all about) suddenly appear out of nowhere just to write their only posts in topics like this one ...  :wtf:

 

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
PETA kids is great!

 

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
Stop stealing my lines, gastropod.
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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
So... PETA's minions would do nothing but cruise the internet whole the time looking for every board wherever someone dares to criticize their organization and then they strike... :eek:

sorry for this post but it just makes me wonder how people (who probably don't even know what this forum is all about) suddenly appear out of nowhere just to write their only posts in topics like this one ...  :wtf:
Please take some kind of an english class, as I suspect you don't really understand the rather simple and straightforward english I've been using here. I can't think of any other explanations for your silly reaction (or at least not ones which wouldn't be considered rude to suggest).

Of course, if I'm wrong and you actually have something rational to say, please do! I'm always up for an argument, if that's what you'd prefer instead of hilarious exchanges of random fallacies.

 

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
Is anyone else struck by the fact that the new guy's name is zookeeper, and he only registered to post on this thread so far?

EDIT: Yep.

So... PETA's minions would do nothing but cruise the internet whole the time looking for every board wherever someone dares to criticize their organization and then they strike... :eek:

sorry for this post but it just makes me wonder how people (who probably don't even know what this forum is all about) suddenly appear out of nowhere just to write their only posts in topics like this one ...  :wtf:

 

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
Zookeeper has been helping out FotG with sound effects for the past month or so; he's not here just to crack down on behalf of his fuzzy masters or anything.  Please decrease homeland paranoia level to orange.  Thank you for your time.

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
Please take some kind of an english class, as I suspect you don't really understand the rather simple and straightforward english I've been using here.

Insulting people is generally not a good way to make your point in a civil conversation.

As for criticizing people's English skills, I would be very careful about ensuring your own communications are absolutely correct before criticizing anyone else.  As you missed two obvious capitalizations you really don't have a leg to stand on, even if your point was actually to suggest he mind his reading ability rather than a not-so-subtle attempt to just cut him down.  Consequently, it actually made you look like the jackass, not him.

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Re: More proof that PETA need to shut up
I wonder what sort of plastic those bug catchers are made of.