[Blue Lion]

That really was just a check list of right wing rambling, wasn't it?

[Flipside]

I love the fact the whole argument is that Illegal Immigrants might fake an identity in order to get treatment, it's the most crazy, nonsensical, poorly thought out argument I've ever heard in my life.

That's like saying that Credit Card companies cater to thieves because someone might clone a card and use someone else's account.

[General Battuta]

Lawl@bizzybody, particularly with regards to his critique of 'hate crimes'.

He is apparently unaware that if a disease only affects a certain population, you focus your efforts on curing it in that population, instead of in the white male population where it has no real empirically visible effect.

[IceFire]

No. Social conservatives have no place in a free and civilized society. If anything, they advocate moving towards V for Vendetta, not away from it. They only want small government when it benefits themselves and no one else.

implying free society is only to be given to the 'right' people, or should I say the 'left' people, amiright? lol

The funniest thing to come out of this was a couple of people standing up in these town hall meetings (with video cameras everywhere) and equating a public health system with communism.  It seems like very few people actually understand political systems ...because the comparisons are hilarious

so taking money from the rich to pay for health care for the poor is not a communist institution?

Only if you consider Canada communist

[Liberator]

I'm only sticking my nose into this thread to advise bizzybody and anyone else who would like to try and argue about this from the side of right to cut and run and let those who would allow tyranny and corruption take hold in they're leadership, whatever country they're in, think they are right in they're pompousness.

The only thing I can say further is I forsee a near 100% turnover in the upcoming congressional elections.  The giant is awake, and he's not happy.

[QuantumDelta]

I'm only sticking my nose into this thread to advise bizzybody and anyone else who would like to try and argue about this from the side of right to cut and run and let those who would allow tyranny and corruption take hold in they're leadership, whatever country they're in, think they are right in they're pompousness.

The only thing I can say further is I forsee a near 100% turnover in the upcoming congressional elections.  The giant is awake, and he's not happy.

And if that didn't sound totalitarian I don't know what doesn't LOL

[karajorma]

I'm only sticking my nose into this thread to advise bizzybody and anyone else who would like to try and argue about this from the side of right to cut and run and let those who would allow tyranny and corruption take hold in they're leadership, whatever country they're in, think they are right in they're pompousness.

So where were you arguing about tyranny and corruption when Bush was in charge then?

It's amazing how silent you were back then. 

[Bobboau]

Only if you consider Canada communist

its closer.

[Bobboau]

The only thing I can say further is I forsee a near 100% turnover in the upcoming congressional elections.  The giant is awake, and he's not happy.

you are making the same mistake the other side is making, namely that the other side is a crazy ignorant vocal majority. in reality both sides have reasons and well thought out positions and your side is about 30%, their side is 30% and there is about 40% who don't give a ****. oh, and both parties are just useing your mutual hate to keep you loyal, while they spend us into oblivion and pay off their corperate cronies.

[Liberator]

Bob, I don't disagree with you.  The thing about people who aren't paying attention is that they don't see that while it might be that 30%, 30% and 40% you talked about, the reality is that the vast majority are dissatisfied with they're elected leaders.  The problem is that they're not being presented an real alternative.  So as the saying goes, better the devil you know than the devil you don't.  I just honestly believe, that for good or ill, the vast majority of senators and congressmen who are up for reelection in 2010 are going to be shown the door.  Obama is the crown jewel in a collection of corrupt self-important scumbags who would be working at the 7/11 if it weren't for they're ability to smoothtalk people into thinking that they'll do something for them.

[karajorma]

And yet you said nothing about Bush.


I can keep this up all night BTW.

[Bobboau]

well 'screw who ever is in power right now' is the mentality that gave the democrats the last election, so it could just as easily lose them the next one. but meanwhile this stupid cultural war is going to just keep escalating, and no solutions are going to be presented, I don't think there is a way out of our current mess except for a huge 'eating the wood of your house because there is nothing else to eat' crash, effectively rebooting civilization. of the people who care they are not allowed to listen to the other people with a different position, they want it their way and they want everyone else to have it their way as well. From that we get socialist programs and gay marriage bans, am I the only one here who is noticing we are getting the worst of both worlds?

[iamzack]

What's interesting to me is that Obama is getting slammed on the left in a lot of places. The most liberal of folks are Obama's biggest criticizers.

Folks on the right don't actually have much to ***** about. That's why all they talk about is birth certificates and death panels. They have to make stuff up in order to get people riled up against him.

Whereas on the left, people are going "hey, where's the gay rights legislation?" "why isn't health insurance reform passed yet?"

Obama isn't liberal enough for liberals to be happy, but he's not white enough for the right to be happy either.

Compare to the criticisms of Bush. Almost nothing came from the right, unless you count libertarians (but they're kind of crazy so I don't like to think about them). The left didn't have to make stuff up (though they did anyway on occasion), and not a peep from the right!

The only legitimate thing the rights *****es about is the deficit, but we had a surplus pre-Bush, so I don't know why they waited 8 years to start whining. No, wait, yeah I do...

[BloodEagle]

Obama isn't liberal enough for liberals to be happy, but he's not white enough for the right to be happy either.

I see what you did there.

Bad human.

[iamzack]

When the crazy birther-type rightwingers can point to a problem with Obama that actually exists, then I won't assume their only problem is racism.

[General Battuta]

Bob, I don't disagree with you.  The thing about people who aren't paying attention is that they don't see that while it might be that 30%, 30% and 40% you talked about, the reality is that the vast majority are dissatisfied with they're elected leaders.  The problem is that they're not being presented an real alternative.  So as the saying goes, better the devil you know than the devil you don't.  I just honestly believe, that for good or ill, the vast majority of senators and congressmen who are up for reelection in 2010 are going to be shown the door.  Obama is the crown jewel in a collection of corrupt self-important scumbags who would be working at the 7/11 if it weren't for they're ability to smoothtalk people into thinking that they'll do something for them.

Evidence? Any? At all?

Even I didn't think Bush was intentionally doing harm; I thought he was just wrong. You, on the other hand, seem intent on treating the real world as if it were as simple and friendly as WoW.

[StarSlayer]

http://www.thejaylenoshow.com/video/clips/prez-and-jay/1157069/

1:41 for the thread tie in

[QuantumDelta]

http://www.thejaylenoshow.com/video/clips/prez-and-jay/1157069/

1:41 for the thread tie in

And for those of us who aren't in danger of becoming communists because we already are communists?

... I mean, "not Americans?"

[StarSlayer]

You can decry us as Capitalist Pig Dogs.  I don't see the segment on youtube unfortuantely so I'm not sure how to find a copy for you Proles.

[Liberator]

I really don't get you iamzack.  I'll grant that you are young.  But most people become Capitalists pretty quick when they have to provide for themselves when they get out into the big bad world.

Another thing, you talk like you dislike wealthy people simply because they are wealthy and that they must have climbed over someone and oppressed them to get they're money or were just plain lucky.  For most of the wealthy people I know, it was a long time coming and they worked harder than most to get there.