[Riptide572]

Honestly, although V wont want to admit it (because some people will jump on the excuse), they wont make a Freespace 3 because even the hard core Freespace fans alone number in the several thousands. If you make a game, there's always several thousand more that latch on to a game. If you figure how polished games are now compared to yester-years, there are some pretty talented graphic artists working within these companies that are seeking a pretty penny for their services. Most games are no longer profitable unless they sell near a million copies or more. As much as I, and many of you, don't want to admit it... the space flight sim (or even flight sim) genre in general is dead to most gamers. I have a feeling that it will eventually will have it's time again (like most trends) but it's a matter of time. Volition wont sink millions of dollars into a product they don't think will make even it's cost back from (a simple law of good economics). And lets face it, money does make the world go around.
On a side note, it is going to take one hell of a sleeper flight/space sim over-night hit kinda game to bring gamers back into the genre. So, should Volition take the gamble, and risk millions on a possible hit game? Or should they play the safe route and wait til the genre comes back around? This is a post I made in a previous thread, and thought it deserved it's own discussion. Just curious to hear peoples responses.

[General Battuta]

V has stated time and again that they'd love to do FS3. The question is whether a) they can get the rights and if b) the market seems receptive.

[Riptide572]

I can guarantee they'd spend the money if the mob (IE us and the buddies we get into Freespace) had enough of a following. I do think the fact that GoG.com having the game up for download now for $6 (instead of the insane $70 on E-bay) is giving the game an unheard of popularity for a game that old. I think it's only a matter of time.... hell, look at Fallout 3. What was it, over a decade before that sequel came out? Let's just hope this one ends up in the right hands, and that's Volition. (And I loved Fallout 3 by the way, I think Bethesda did a great job, but FS deserves to be with V)

[General Battuta]

It's all a moot point if nobody acquires the rights from Interplay, and they're asking a lot.

[Riptide572]

Out of curiosity, does anyone actually have a figure on what they are asking other than "a lot"?

[Hamenaglar]

I can guarantee they'd spend the money if the mob (IE us and the buddies we get into Freespace) had enough of a following. I do think the fact that GoG.com having the game up for download now for $6 (instead of the insane $70 on E-bay) is giving the game an unheard of popularity for a game that old. I think it's only a matter of time.... hell, look at Fallout 3. What was it, over a decade before that sequel came out? Let's just hope this one ends up in the right hands, and that's Volition. (And I loved Fallout 3 by the way, I think Bethesda did a great job, but FS deserves to be with V)

Well, most hardcore fallout fans hate fallout 3, just check out NMA. If someone would do with FS3 what bethesda did with FO3, I'd be very dissapointed and sad. On the other hand Volition created FS1&2 and I certainly wouldn't mind them developing sequel, but I'd be very sceptical towards anybody else.

[Kie99]

Definitely the former, potentially the latter.

[deathfun]

Well, most hardcore fallout fans hate fallout 3, just check out NMA. If someone would do with FS3 what bethesda did with FO3, I'd be very dissapointed and sad. On the other hand Volition created FS1&2 and I certainly wouldn't mind them developing sequel, but I'd be very sceptical towards anybody else.

Currently playing Fallout 2 (you were all right about the first level being eh) and find that a dramatic change in gameplay is actually a good thing. I may not be a hardcore fallout fan, but speaking from a non-bias position... changing gameplay in a game can be a very good thing. Who wants to do the same thing over and over again, for the fourth or fifth time in the series? At that point, it becomes fan-based and nothing more really. Like Halo, for example.


It all depends really. What sort of changes would be introduced if another company were to make FS3? Or would they stick to the same formula?

As long as they stick to the story and answer some of my questions, I'm happy

[Blue Lion]

Why do you even really want to risk getting FS3? An answer to the story?

V makes more money off of the other games it makes, Saints Row 3 would rake in far more than even the best FS3 ever would.

[NGTM-1R]

Well, most hardcore fallout fans hate fallout 3, just check out NMA. If someone would do with FS3 what bethesda did with FO3, I'd be very dissapointed and sad. On the other hand Volition created FS1&2 and I certainly wouldn't mind them developing sequel, but I'd be very sceptical towards anybody else.

This is because NMA is a bunch of idiots.

[deathfun]

Why do you even really want to risk getting FS3? An answer to the story?

V makes more money off of the other games it makes, Saints Row 3 would rake in far more than even the best FS3 ever would.

What I find is sad, is how the people who play the more recent Volition games never even heard of the older ones.

I've asked people on RFG, don't have Saints Row

[QuantumDelta]

Why do you even really want to risk getting FS3? An answer to the story?

V makes more money off of the other games it makes, Saints Row 3 would rake in far more than even the best FS3 ever would.

I'll make sure all of Britain buys a copy if you cover all of Maryland.

[Stormkeeper]

What I find is sad, is how the people who play the more recent Volition games never even heard of the older ones.

I've asked people on RFG, don't have Saints Row

Why do you find that sad? Saints Row, Red Faction and Freespace are all very different. If you've never told them, they would probably never know..

[Tantalus53]

Eh.. Not many space combat sim games on the market, really when you think about it. Futuristic warfare is a golden one, buuut... most of the ones out there are all land based. nothing about pilots.

thinking about it, a Game where your a GTVA Marine type guy would be sweet...

[Lukeskywalkie]

What's truly unfortunate is when a space shooter/flight sim does appear on the market, with flashy graphics and a slick interface, only to disappoint. I refer you to darkstar one, one of the newer big budget spacers - it's lack of variety was insulting, and the mechanics weren't polished at all.  Every time a title like that comes out, it pushes the return of the space shooter genre further down the road.
Indeed, the only space sims to come out and not get panned lately are the X series, which is really a different genre altogether.  This is the reason I'm so grateful for all the genius fredders out there, who keep new, high quality campaigns flowing.  Lord knows there aren't any new spacers worth playing.

Oh and just so we're clear:  I hate darkstar one so much for continuing this trend of mediocrity.

[Snail]

Why do you even really want to risk getting FS3? An answer to the story?

V makes more money off of the other games it makes, Saints Row 3 would rake in far more than even the best FS3 ever would.

What I find is sad, is how the people who play the more recent Volition games never even heard of the older ones.

I've asked people on RFG, don't have Saints Row

Yeah. I know a guy who is a complete fan of all of Volition's games, and has all the Red Factions and both Saints Row games. He has never heard of FS.

[deathfun]

Why do you find that sad? Saints Row, Red Faction and Freespace are all very different. If you've never told them, they would probably never know..

Different as they may be, Volition really shouldn't be recognized as the GTA copier.
I've heard it before actually, where Saints Row was considered as such.

These people should play what made Volition so awesome, and start at the very beginning

[karajorma]

I tend to think of Saint's Row as doing to the GTA style game exactly what they did with the space shooter. Muscling in on turf that others have already been all over and simply refining it to make the best game of the genre.

They certainly deserve recognition for doing it with Saint's Row II but it would be nice if people realised it wasn't the first time they've done it.

[Woolie Wool]

Eh.. Not many space combat sim games on the market, really when you think about it. Futuristic warfare is a golden one, buuut... most of the ones out there are all land based. nothing about pilots.

thinking about it, a Game where your a GTVA Marine type guy would be sweet...

I find it frustrating because Ace Combat is basically an FS/WC-style space sim WITH JETS (OK, the targeting is simpler and the physics are very slightly more realistic) but no one will touch a real combat space sim (none of this trading crapola, that's for sissies) with a ten foot pole.

[Getter Robo G]

Out of curiosity, does anyone actually have a figure on what they are asking other than "a lot"?

Enough that f-tard D.S. couldn't afford it (thank God!).


Trust me, the absolute BEST possible outcome we could ever hope for is a die hard FS fan to win the damn lotto and at least work hard to try to stay within the original vision set out by the original V team.

Notice, even if V got involved they are not the same people anymore,  staff changes.


The absolute worst scenario is that some Joey Schmuchface with cash to burn buys the rights, cause he thinks it'd be cool to have that brand,  and then run it into the ground...

Word of advice to newbies wanting to write letters (and stupid crap like that),

LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE...