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Should I Make Derelict ][ [Forget about Copyright]?

Yes.  Derelict Fever Lives Again.  I will Offer Help
12 (21.4%)
Yes.  Caught Between a Dichotomy of Helping and Not Helping
23 (41.1%)
No.  We have enough Campaigns
4 (7.1%)
No.  Just No.
17 (30.4%)

Total Members Voted: 56

Voting closed: April 08, 2002, 08:01:33 am

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Offline IceFire

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Let me straighten you all out.

Derelict was created by Kellan and Agatheron.  Agatheron started the whole thing off and Kellan joined a bit later to get some of the missions in.  The missions they did were par excellance.  I haven't seen better missions produced by anyone yet.  Someone was complaining about balance or something...Kellan and Agatheron and I went over alot of those missions with balance in mind.  I thought they were pretty close to perfect.

Derelict and Warzone for the most part are compatible...if you take into account that the Shivan attacks happened pretty much at the same time and that the Warlock didn't know of what was going on in Tau Sigma.

BWO is sort of a successor to both campaigns...but the connections are medium to small.  We mention ships and the occasional event...but BWO is more of a standalone.
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Offline CP5670

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Okay just wait for a month and you'll see what real quality missions are... :D ;7 :D

I agree with Stunaep though; Warzone was a better campaign than Derelict due to the much more plausible storyline and better missions. :nod:

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Blackify the text or something, if you must post it...


Yeah, I needed some CONTENT in there; I will try to remember that next time. ;)

 
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Originally posted by IceFire

The missions they did were par excellance.  I haven't seen better missions produced by anyone yet.  Someone was complaining about balance or something...Kellan and Agatheron and I went over alot of those missions with balance in mind.  I thought they were pretty close to perfect.
 

Finally, somebody talks some sense around here :D
These were my thoughts exactly.
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Offline Kellan

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Hey everyone...here's my $0.02 on Derelict... ;)

Okay, so it may be the biggest campaign around (it might not be, but I'm not keeping up) but I agree that it wasn't the most polished. We never went back and fixed the first few missions, which you have to remember were Agatheron's first for example. There were a few spelling errors in the dialogue, and not all of it would fit on a Command Briefing screen at 640*480.

There were also a couple of missions that I would've liked to go back and change or rebalance. One of the missions in the first Loop particularly gets me like that. However, the bottom line was that after spending so much time on it, and with exams looming, I didn't have the time (or to some extent the inclination) to fix every little thing. Agatheron was busy with RL stuff and needed a break too. So, like the voicing, Derelict 1.1 Final kinda fell by the wayside. :o

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Overall though, I'm still very pleased with Derelict. I disagree that some of the non-combat missions and the ones where you don't fight MT or the Shivans were fillers - if nothing else, they brought the characters in your wing further out at least.

Oh, and the Auriga was my idea. :nod: So hurt me for it, if you must. I don't, however think that it's so infeasible that the Auriga could move around without being spotted. Firstly, space is a big place - I mean, have you seen estimates of the diameter of the Solar system out to the Kuiper belt and Oort clouds? Secondly, Tau Sigma and all the systems beyond were very isolated. There wasn't even a Vasudan Fleet in the system to provide support, and it took the GTVA long enough to send reinforcements once the Shivans made their appearance.

I don't think it's ever-so odd that Morgan Technologies would create the Auriga either. It's just an extension of the current behaviour of large corporations. When a corporation is bigger and more powerful than the government that regulates it, as well as being multinational you have to wonder what happens next...

Anyway, a bit of MT's rationale is this:

They want the Tau Sigma system for themselves. It's got minerals and will soon have a population of refugees willing to take any job that's offered. The GTVA is too busy with the reconstruction to really care. However, MT's attempts to dominate Tau Sigma using corporate means falter because pirate activity in the lawless system is heavy and the GTVA can't or won't do any more. The Auriga is the logical extension of this plan for domination. Nobody can really oppose it in Tau Sigma or beyond.

I'd rather not reveal where the destroyer, it's components or fighters actually came from though...yet. All will be revealed in due course. :wink:

One day we may go back and buff up Derelict to a shine. But BWO has priority. It's markedly different to Derelict if you ask me - more combat. It's like a mix of Warzone and the Big Plot/Character elements of Derelict. And it shall be good. :D

Until then...

 

Offline Kellan

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Incidentally, which missions did you really like in Derelict? :)

My money goes on the Meson Beam mission, and the battles against the Shivans in Phi Eridani. Plus the last mission, which I'm astonished Agatheron did. It's genius.

  

Offline Razor

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The only mission I like is the one where you fly recon and when you encounter the Shivan Knossos for the first time.

Oh, and the one where you ''play dead''

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Originally posted by Kellan
Incidentally, which missions did you really like in Derelict? :)

My money goes on the Meson Beam mission, and the battles against the Shivans in Phi Eridani. Plus the last mission, which I'm astonished Agatheron did. It's genius.


Gorgon Cannon! Gorgon! Gorgon! :D :D

Anyway, my next fav to that is anyone of them that you get to hear Mackey in.

"You want to hear another story about duct tape?"
"Good. And when I get it, I'm going to duct tape it to my cockpit."

Man, he's funny.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 
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I liked 100% of Derelict.
Theres not a single mission I dont like.
Watching from the background since 17 April 2002.

 
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Originally posted by nuclear1


Gorgon Cannon! Gorgon! Gorgon! :D :D

Anyway, my next fav to that is anyone of them that you get to hear Mackey in.

"You want to hear another story about duct tape?"
"Good. And when I get it, I'm going to duct tape it to my cockpit."

Man, he's funny.


"Would you like me to knock on their exhaust pipes and ask for a headcount? I'm serious Command, all of the Shivans are here!!"

"Alright, but they so much look at me sideways and I am putting a Harpoon in their tailpipe."

"I've got a wad of duct tape I'd like to shove up your [bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt]."

:D

 
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They sure took the In-Mission conversations to the extreme in this campaign.
Actually one thing bothers me about Derelict and it has to do with all those little suns all over the place.
Watching from the background since 17 April 2002.

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Yeah, the language was kinda extreme...... :D

"Yee-hah! Take that you big, ugly *******!"
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 
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Delilict 2 go for it.....

1 thing tho....
ive never been able to play Derilict...

im sat on the first mission doing nothing.... an hour into it and nothing is going on.......it says intercept poesidan 7 but nothing arrives...dang annoying..

 

Offline Stryke 9

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...An hour into it, before you realized nothing was happening?


Mmm... Might be something else to that...;)

 
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Originally posted by nuclear1
Yeah, the language was kinda extreme...... :D

"Yee-hah! Take that you big, ugly *******!"

That really wasn't my point.
When I say extreme I ment it had a lot more conversations between pilots than the FS2 campaign.
The main FS2 campaign needed more cussing.
It sounds more real.
But of course you gotta think of the little kids who play this game
:rolleyes:
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Offline Stryke 9

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It's kinda hard for language to be extreme in that way nowadays, anyhow. I mean, short of racial slurs, what really shocks people anymore? I tell you; it's rough being a public nuisance.

 

Offline Rampage

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By the way, expect a 5-7 mission demo soon.

 

Offline Nuclear1

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Cool :yes:
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 

Offline Gloriano

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derelict was best campaing but derelict 2 bad idea
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Originally posted by SILVER DRACON
derelict was best campaing but derelict 2 bad idea
:headz:

I agree, if they want to make a Derelict sequel I think it should be done by Agatheron and Kellan. The creators of the original Derelict.
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