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Would you like te see these modifications in the MediaVPs?

Yes! I can't believe they changed!
16 (40%)
Meh, could care less.
14 (35%)
No! Not my precious!
10 (25%)

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Author Topic: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Updated again! Mekhu split off!  (Read 22157 times)

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Offline SypheDMar

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
Changing the Mekhu to green is like changing the Subach back to blue. I thought this was made to be more retail-like? :doubt:

 
Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
Well maybe we should just keep the mekhu the same color as the subach since that's the way it is in retail. Then no more pink complaints lol.

 

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
Well maybe we should just keep the mekhu the same color as the subach since that's the way it is in retail. Then no more pink complaints lol.
Agreed. Excepted the "lol" part (I can't stand people always ending their sentences with "lol" :p)
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
To be honest, we should just keep it the way it is in the MediaVPs. Red Mehkus look bad. Mvps are designed to make stuff look better. Color doesn't affect mission balance in the slightest.
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
To be honest, we should just keep it the way it is in the MediaVPs. Red Mehkus look bad. Mvps are designed to make stuff look better. Color doesn't affect mission balance in the slightest.
It doesn't look bad, not at all. And the Mvps are to make stuff look better while staying true to the original game.
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
I do believe certain artistic freedom should be allowed if it improves the effect to make two different things distinguishable from one another.

Why is there blue on the Leviathan then? Why does the Lilith have a different texture than the Cain? Same reasoning. Unless you want those gone too. In which case, I give up on the MediaVPs because it's run by a bunch of purist pricks who should really just be playing retail, since they love the original so damn much.
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
There's really no use arguing over the matter anymore anyway, the "yes" votes obviously outvote the "no" votes by over 100%.
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[22:29] <RangerKarl|AtWork> "you look like a big tasty muffin"
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<batwota> wouldn’t that mean that it’s prepared to kiss your ass if you flank it :p
<batwota> wow
<batwota> KILL

 

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
Whatever the votes might say, it is still up to the discretion of the FSO staff and the FSO staff alone.
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
FSU, you mean.

But ergh, I hate it when this happens. Everything's fine and then someone points out it's not exactly the same as retail and then it gets changed to something of lesser aesthetic appeal. Isn't that just going backwards? There are so many things that could be improved, and frankly, this isn't one of them.

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
Well maybe we should just keep the mekhu the same color as the subach since that's the way it is in retail. Then no more pink complaints lol.
Agreed. Excepted the "lol" part (I can't stand people always ending their sentences with "lol" :p)

I know what you're talking about! But its so funny people that people are so strongly against the pink. I'm playing FSO right now and it doesn't bother me at all. In game it looks really close to the red so I can barely tell the difference.

 

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
I can see it!!!

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Offline Commander Zane

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
I do believe certain artistic freedom should be allowed if it improves the effect to make two different things distinguishable from one another.

Why is there blue on the Leviathan then? Why does the Lilith have a different texture than the Cain? Same reasoning. Unless you want those gone too. In which case, I give up on the MediaVPs because it's run by a bunch of purist pricks who should really just be playing retail, since they love the original so damn much.
I very much agree with the concept behind what you're saying, things could look even better if some of the team would get over themselves and lose the 100% Retail mindset.

 

Offline Tarvis

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
I do believe certain artistic freedom should be allowed if it improves the effect to make two different things distinguishable from one another.

Why is there blue on the Leviathan then? Why does the Lilith have a different texture than the Cain? Same reasoning. Unless you want those gone too. In which case, I give up on the MediaVPs because it's run by a bunch of purist pricks who should really just be playing retail, since they love the original so damn much.
While I agree, I think you're over-reacting. Please realize I didn't do this just so it can get into the MediaVPs. I did it because I know some people out there would like the red one better. So, they download this. If you don't want red subachs? Don't get the .vp. Nobody is forcing it upon you.

It's just a matter of personal preference. While blue ones may seem better to some people, it may not to others.

Also, the different colors and textures for the Leviathan/Fenris and the Cain/Lilith is so that players could easily differentiate between the two. I don't believe that this is why the Subach was made blue.

 

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
Yeah, I'm probably overreacting. It may not be why the Subach is blue, but it is why the Mehku is a different color than the Subach. Making them the same would be a step backwards IMO.
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
the original media has them start off bright red then transition to blue, going from hot to cold, implying that they are petering out as they go, the new effect has them go from blue to red implying they start of weak and feeble, and get stronger.
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
Except that when you think about wavelengths, blue is higher in energy than red. Implying the exact opposite of what you're saying...
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
except when you talk about a person's perception, the eye is dramatically less sensitive to blue, and we have millions of years of evolution telling us that the color of fire is hot, not to mention all that personal experience of putting your hand of a red hot burner as a child.
we are not talking physics here, we are talking aesthetics and to a lesser degree psychology.
blue is a soothing calming color, red is the color of danger, it's why stop signs aren't blue.
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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
But the very center of fire is in fact blue, and the hottest point of the flame.

 

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
Bobbau's right.

 

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Re: Retail (Red) Subach/Mekhu - Upgraded! (Core changed as well)
But the very center of fire is in fact blue, and the hottest point of the flame.
Rule of Cool invoked, I'm afraid...