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Offline Flaser

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Here's what I wrote on CP earlier with some slight modifications:

Only pedophiles who cause the children harm should be prosecuted. Ergo no, crime, no victim, there should be no prosecution. I'm willing to admit that possession and distribution of "real CP" (the production of which involved child molestation) can lead to harm so should be prosecuted.

However the harm caused by "child abuse" is usually not the physical variety most associate with the act. It's psychological 'cause they imprint the children with a very skewed view of sexuality where they must forever be the submissive and on the receiving end. However that's not all - they view sex as a form of "love" and tend to believe that anyone who has sex with them is "loving them".... which may be true, but misses the whole point. On its own, sex isn't about feeling it's act of the body. What it expresses is up to the participants but these children's view is already skewed.

Two, no make it three things that piss me off about this whole deal:

1) The moral panic over pedophiles has actually put a lot of innocent people behind bars and modern witch trials were conducted with impossible charges. Read up on this here:
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2) The above moral panic and witch-hunt has actually retarded the cause of anti-molestation and child welfare. Most of these molestations and rape is done by relatives. The child services were finally on the right track and could do some real work... except over eager agents who saw molesters everywhere, fear struck parents and eager to please authorities (whose actions against pedophiles provides really good publicity) has gone into a insane fervor and destroyed this progress.

Now we're back to stranger-danger once again, the candyman you must beware of... which mostly bull****. Yes there are a few monsters out there, but very few. The sad truth is most child molestation is domestic, done by someone who the child trusts by people who may indeed be upstanding citizens in any other aspect and they indeed "love" the children...
...which most of the time doesn't "directly hurt", but harm the child in hidden and really sinister ways.

3) What makes the issue even more murky is that children aren't the "innocent angels" the media and American (blind) stereotypes make them out to be. Even as young as 8 they already have notions of sexuality and 12 years are guaranteed to have taken the first steps on sexuality - which is natural, they are teenagers by then! So instead "the corruption of pure little angels" what really happens is really young curios teenagers are co-opted into a games of "pleasure".

The pressures that try to suppress sexuality in teenagers doesn't help this at all, especially the religious pressures that equate masturbation and sexuality with sin. Along comes a cool "uncle" who not only dismisses the child's fears, but actively encourages them to go on, release their pressures. He may even smuggle them some porno... or show them how it's done. The child naturally gravitates toward the sole figure who (seemingly) supports them.

When they finally figure out what's happening they don't know what to do. It wasn't a strange man who abducted them and did painful things to them, but a known person they trust who slowly brought them into a relationship that's growing ever more strained and uncomfortable for the child. They're out of their league and they don't know how to get out or steer it in any direction.

Finally when things come to head everyone assumes that it hurt that they were practically "beat and literally abused". They could be. There are cases like that. Those are easier to solve (which is squicky). However in a lot of cases that child also enjoyed the sex to a degree. It offered them pleasure, but the relationship itself was very straining and put them under pressures that were ever mounting.

However everyone tells them it was WRONG! They must have SUFFERED! ...what if it wasn't painful and there were parts that they enjoyed? The stereotypes of child abuse afterwards cause a different strain on the child. Their actual experiences may differ wildly from the painful and sodomizing debauchery that everyone just "KNOWS MUST HAVE HAPPENED"... and speaks and handles them with the assumption.

Pedophiles often use the above argument to validate their "relationship". They are right to a degree: the children are rarely abused in the manner that the stereotypes assume. But the whole issue is still very damaging and the situation is fright with danger from the get go as the adults ego will inevitably leave a very strong impression on the child.



So no, I don't see how this legislation (or prosecution of lolicon material1) helps at all.

It fans the fires of the witch hunt, it draws the attention from what the real issues should be and finally it restricts the traditional freedoms of expression and press and puts more hands into overzealous authorities to bother and oppress people under made up charges.

1- Lolicon is a) drawn (no people involved or hurt) and b) usually depict teenagers (so it's ephebophile not pedophile material).
« Last Edit: January 28, 2010, 10:48:57 am by Flaser »
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What are we talking about here? D-cup? C-cup?

I'm not going to feel guilty because I think a chick with small breasts is hot. Any law which makes it illegal for Milla Jovovich to star in porn has its flaws inherently exposed.

  

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Re: Australia - You Must Be This Big (In Your Bra) To Ride
I admit that I don't exactly understand how this law will protect children :confused:
Or maybe I just don't understand the purpose of this law..

 

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Me either. 

Most of the high school chicks walking around here look like they are in there 20's while the ones that are in there 20's look like they are 12.  Heck a couple years ago there were some middle school kids (6-8th grade) getting off the bus on my corner that either blossomed earlier or spent one heck of a lot on tissue paper.  Guess Australia needs some more growth hormones in there food or better plastic surgeons. 
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The hell with China...Australia's the one with a ****ing scary government.

 

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Sometimes I don't think the word 'rational' exists in the upper echelons of this country.

 

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I think I liked Australia better when all it really had to worry about was Michael Atkinson.

Boystrous 19 year old temp at work slapped me in the face with an envelope and laughed it off as playful. So I shoved him over a desk and laughed it off as playful. It's on camera so I can plead reasonable force.  Temp is now passive.

 

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Re: Australia - You Must Be This Big (In Your Bra) To Ride
This whole thing is inane. One of the things that great about porn is the scenarios in pornos that happen. Such as some hot chick getting it on with the highschool gym teacher. You can bet for that part that a porn star with small breasts and even looks young was picked and starred perfectly in the role.

This is horrible that this is all left up to interpretation in australia too. This can only lead up to the really young looking porn stars with huge ta-ta's going up to the chopping block next. With something like this left up to interpretation, there should be theoretically no stopping it with how interpretation will change and how the stakes will rise.

As far as the ban on female ejaculation in porn. I grabbed this link from the comments section of that one article that this whole thread is about. A ban on female urination in porn is bad? Women in porn can and do fake female ejaculation by stuff like taking a piss and whatever other creative methods. So when a female actually does ejaculate in a porn, i speculate the person evaluating the porn for the aussie public via the government or something will turn a blind eye because of speculation left up to interpretation saying something like "it's too similar to a chick taking a piss, it's not allowed". I'm guessing cleveland steamers and rusty trombones are allowed of course. For god's sake, it's porn, where everything and everyone (except underage models) will be done. I'm guessing later BSDM won't be allowed because it'll be considered abusive :lol:

Also, these are porn stars, it's in their interest to look young, and to be good looking. If australia thinks that everyones going to be watching porn that has big breasted snaggletooth, then they have another thing coming. Would you want to have sex with snaggletooth? surely no
Would you ever end up in bed with snaggletooth? this is a different scenario entirely; maybe she spiked your drink with something or just happened to have a really great personality :lol:

In other news: MAFIAA is really determined to make single mother pay $1.92million for the sins of all illegal file sharers, the image of muhammed is never to be shown, and australlian legislature loves all of the porn they get to watch and censor while simultaneously floggin' the log.

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Would you want to have sex with snaggletooth? surely no
Would you ever end up in bed with snaggletooth? this is a different scenario entirely; maybe she spiked your drink with something or just happened to have a really great personality :lol:

Yeah that's not shallow at all. 
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Would you want to have sex with snaggletooth? surely no
Would you ever end up in bed with snaggletooth? this is a different scenario entirely; maybe she spiked your drink with something or just happened to have a really great personality :lol:

Yeah that's not shallow at all. 
The topic's about porn.  Of course it's shallow. :p

 

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At least Aussies can still look at her.

Next up out of Australia: you must be taller than 5'4. Why? Because there are plenty of 16-year-old girls who are short and have DD's.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2010, 02:52:21 pm by Bob-san »
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Re: Australia - You Must Be This Big (In Your Bra) To Ride
Would you want to have sex with snaggletooth? surely no
Would you ever end up in bed with snaggletooth? this is a different scenario entirely; maybe she spiked your drink with something or just happened to have a really great personality :lol:

Yeah that's not shallow at all.  
Certainly you didn't understand me correctly in relating what i said to a porn flick.

EDIT: And certainly nothing else of what i have said about what i predict can happen with this problem pertaining to the interpretation part of it all stuck in your head? No elaborating on this thread topic either?
« Last Edit: January 29, 2010, 04:46:27 pm by S-99 »
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Again I say, America ain't so bad compared to everywhere else (except for Norway)!
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Yeah, just don’t take any pictures of yourself if you’re under eighteen.

We’ve got plenty of crazy here too.


 

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At issue in the case: Whether the U.S. Constitution permits prosecutors to charge minors who pose for nude or risque photos with child pornography. You read that correctly. In order to protect children from predators and child pornographers, the local district attorney is threatening to prosecute minors who pose for racy photos as if they were child pornographers.

Even within the context of the already hysterical overreaction to the "sexting" phenomenon, the facts in Miller are jaw-dropping. Of the three girls bringing suit, two were photographed at a slumber party wearing training bras. The third photographed herself baring her breasts, then sent the photo to a boy she'd hoped to make jealous. The girls aren't in trouble for distributing the photos, or even for taking them. They've been introduced to the criminal justice system merely for appearing in them.

WTF! Taking a picture of YOURSELF wearing a bra is a crime that can result in you being added to the sex offenders register? :confused:

That's even dumber than the original story I posted.

EDIT : Actually it's even dumber than I thought because I've just realised the implications. Flaser's post on what abuse of teenagers is like is pretty much spot on for a description I've heard of it too. In those cases the abused individual does actually have feelings for their abuser. Under these laws if any pictures were taken of the abuse it could result in the victim being prosecuted as a child pornographer.

And given the stories on that page I'll lay money on us hearing about someone actually trying to bring that case fairly soon.
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Re: Australia - You Must Be This Big (In Your Bra) To Ride
I just hope none of you go to pools.....

kids swim there.... in bathing suits!

dun dun dun!

 

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I just hope none of you go to pools.....

kids swim there.... in bathing suits!

dun dun dun!

Up next: gym banned! All participants lined up and society legally executed! Sex is unnatural!


On the other hand... "You're born naked, wet, and hungry. Then it gets worse."
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Quote from: Ruining Kids in Order to Save Them
Skumanick would later tell a gathering of students and parents that he had the authority to prosecute girls photographed on the beach in bikinis, because the minors would be dressed "provocatively."

WHAT.
WHAT.