[General Battuta]

Well, in reality it's four stars doin' a crazy dance. In FS2 it seems to be one of the rarer G2V types, and it doesn't have the mass to supernova at all, so god knows what it'll end up as after the Shivans are done with it.

[TrashMan]

Capella is unlikely to go either of those routes, as it's of insufficent mass. There's still no reason to believe that a white dwarf is insufficent, though.

Do we even know the size and mass of FS2's Capella sun?
I don't think so...

[General Battuta]

I think NGTM-1R's right, you can get size and mass pretty clearly just from its luminosity and the fact that it has habitable planets.

[General Battuta]

Well, :V: made Capella something other than what it is in real life, so they were free to assign whatever constraints they wanted to the star. However you can look at the star in the cutscene and in missions and get a fair idea of its properties (basically it looks like a G2V.)

[Mongoose]

...is this another case where I posted something, deleted it five seconds later because I didn't feel like it was worth posting, and yet somehow managed to get it replied to anyway?  Because I seem to have a talent for that.

[General Battuta]

Now I look like a prat! 

[Mongoose]

I'd merge a new thread in to cover, but that unfortunately sorts things by post time.  Let's try this instead...

* Mongoose made an inane comment about Not Doing the Research

* Battuta replied as follows:

Well, :V: made Capella something other than what it is in real life, so they were free to assign whatever constraints they wanted to the star. However you can look at the star in the cutscene and in missions and get a fair idea of its properties (basically it looks like a G2V.)

There we go.

[Paladin327]

can we agree at least that the supernova was artificially created? i mean, being a space-faring civilization, the GTVA wold probably have noticed if a star was about to go supernova and start evacuating people earlier. also, the supernova did coincide with the sathanas's fleet's arrival and increased subspace emmissions from aforementioned fleet.

another thing, a white dwarf can go supernova if its a binary star and sucks up enough matter from its neighboring star. after it gets aproxamatly 1.5 solar masses, it goes KABLOOIE! but this is probably not the case

[Snail]

another thing, a white dwarf can go supernova if its a binary star and sucks up enough matter from its neighboring star. after it gets aproxamatly 1.5 solar masses, it goes KABLOOIE! but this is probably not the case

That's a different type of supernova than the one depicted.

[Kopachris]

another thing, a white dwarf can go supernova if its a binary star and sucks up enough matter from its neighboring star. after it gets aproxamatly 1.5 solar masses, it goes KABLOOIE! but this is probably not the case

That's a different type of supernova than the one depicted.

Yeah.  Capella was an artificially induced type II supernova, while what you're talking about, Paladin, is a type I supernova.  Totally different.  Capella A, being a fairly average-sized (okay, about 12x the Sun's radius and 2.7x Sun's mass) yellow star, isn't naturally capable of either.  However, Capella B is about the same size as Capella A, and could potentially induce a supernova if the two were to mingle a little too closely, which they might, considering the fact that they orbit only 100 million km away from each other.  The second pair of stars in the Capella system are just a couple brown dwarfs orbiting A and B at a distance of about 10,000 AU.

Of course, in-game stars aren't the same as real stars.  [V] didn't really check their stars to make sure they're depicted correctly.  I've noticed that the mediavps, however, are trying to fix that with their backgrounds.  They got Ross 128 right, anyway (small red star, great lighting for taking on the remnants of the Lucifer's armada).

[Snail]

The Capella system depicted in FS is almost certainly not Capella IRL. My contrived explanation is that it could be renamed or something.

[Mongoose]

The Capella system depicted in FS is almost certainly not Capella IRL. My contrived explanation is that it could be renamed or something.

If Sol is meant to be our Sol, why wouldn't Capella likewise be our Capella? It's far simpler to assume that didn't know/care what sort of setup Capella was supposed to have, and just went with something that looked cool.

[Snail]

Eh, that works too.

[TrashMan]

Since they went with what looks cool, then we cannot really know if fluff-wise, the Capella in FS2 was big enough to go supernova naturally...

[IronBeer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capella_(star)

None of the stars in the Capella system would likely be of sufficient mass to retain anything after a supernova, and the detonation would have obliterated anything else in the system.

[NGTM-1R]

Since they went with what looks cool, then we cannot really know if fluff-wise, the Capella in FS2 was big enough to go supernova naturally...

In the absence of a direct contradictory element of actual gameplay, the cutscenes must be assumed valid representations of the universe.

[TrashMan]

Nope.
Nothing must be assumed.

Especially not cutscenes. Weren't they outsourced or something? Remember Hades in the intro?

We do NOT know the size of Capella, nor what type of star it is. In-game color means nothing, since it's unlikely [V] bothered with that. Wikipedia entries mean nothing for the same reason.

[FS2_playa613]

If the shivans know humans and vasudans aren't a hive mind, if they know we don't naturally communicate in the EM spectrum - why ignore our attempts at communication, and why try to kill every last one of us? Isn't the military only a small percentage of the entire population?

Is it "ignoring" if the communication isn't recognized as such? Someone could pulse me Morse code (forget language barriers for a second), in microwaves or low end infrared, and I wouldnt even notice them doing it. Why? Because my species doesn't communicate via EM. Shivans don't communicate by sound patterns. "we come in peace" would literally be interpereted by them as noise.

[NGTM-1R]

Nope.
Nothing must be assumed.

In that case everything is lies and therefore I can reject your statement and be as right as you could ever hope to be regardless.

Especially not cutscenes. Weren't they outsourced or something? Remember Hades in the intro?

Radical concept: the ingame sun of Capella which appears in quite a few missions ALSO seems to be a G2V. Game and cutscenes agree.

We do NOT know the size of Capella, nor what type of star it is. In-game color means nothing, since it's unlikely [V] bothered with that. Wikipedia entries mean nothing for the same reason.

So basically, you're saying that because it doesn't fit with your worldview, we must reject all canonical evidence of any level validity and remove or lack thereof from .

Because you don't like it. Or because **** knows why you want to reject it, I'm just guessing here.

Either way, it doesn't make a lick of sense, so I mock your efforts to reject canon.

[TrashMan]

In that case everything is lies and therefore I can reject your statement and be as right as you could ever hope to be regardless.

Reductio Ad Absurdum .. .you love it so much you can just as well put it in your signature.

Either way, it doesn't make a lick of sense, so I mock your efforts to reject canon.

Mock it all you want, color is no indication of [V]'s intent. They aren't astronomers.
The Capella in-game may be yellow, but we don't know what that means.
You cannot directly correlate to reality. Half of thing don't act in reality the way they do in FS...

I also wonder.
Which version of the Mentu is canon? With a beam cannon or without one?