[Colonol Dekker]

Regeneration?

[headdie]

i suppose but i'd have thought at least the darleks know the limitations of the timelords from the time war

[The E]

Depends on how much they know.

[Kosh]

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Here's another question: Who was remote controlling the tardis?


And this episode still doesnt explain River, how there could possibly be another Time Lord outside of the timelock.

[cloneof]

Spoiler:

Here's another question: Who was remote controlling the tardis?


And this episode still doesnt explain River, how there could possibly be another Time Lord outside of the timelock.

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That just requires that the Time Lord died during the war or was on the Gallifrey during the end. It is not the only time the Doctor's "powers" "of sensing Time Lords" hasn't worked.

[headdie]

Spoiler:

Here's another question: Who was remote controlling the tardis?


And this episode still doesnt explain River, how there could possibly be another Time Lord outside of the timelock.

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dont know about river but we didn't see the master be destroyed or sucked into the timelock so it could have been him

[Liberator]

Umm...the voice that was saying "Silence Shall Fall!" sounded an awful lot like

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The Black Guardian

.  But that may just have been me.

[Flipside]

Can't wait till next week to find out how he gets out of this one. I know it's Time Travel, but I hope they don't go Brennan/Braga on us

[Fineus]

I liked the episode but had a few glaring faults of my own with it... some of which have been covered here:

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1. It was glaringly obvious from the start that the Doctors enemies were there for him. Daleks and Cybermen and all manner of others flying alongside each other without anyone firing? I don't think so.

2. I kinda figured that it would be the Doctor who was inside the box when it opened. A mythical warrior with the blood of galaxies on his hands? Sounds like him to me. Interesting twist to have it be a trap rather than contain something from the word "go". However we can only assume that for once he's totally screwed without outside assistance...

3...That said, why not just kill him? Or demand the TARDIS?...

4. THAT said... these are some of the "baddest" baddies that the Doctor has ever faced, and they didn't have the intelligence to see that the Doctor and the TARDIS are not one and the same? That even by capturing the Doctor, they hadn't located the TARDIS? Seems like fuzzy thinking to me.

5. Was someone remote controlling the TARDIS? I must have missed something but I don't understand why it suddenly felt a burning need to explode *or* start flying weirdly.

6. IS River a Time Lord? When did that happen? I understand that she was/is/will be his wife but that doesn't mean she's a Time Lord. Just that she was taught how to fly the TARDIS and learnt to understand how time travel works.

6. How long till the Master / other Timelords show up?

Next week should be interesting...

[Flipside]

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Let's not forget the TARDIS has shown itself to have a level of sentience of its own at times

[Kosh]

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5. Was someone remote controlling the TARDIS? I must have missed something but I don't understand why it suddenly felt a burning need to explode *or* start flying weirdly.

I think it was mentioned.

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6. How long till the Master / other Timelords show up?

Next episode I imagine. There's no way he can get out of pandorica on his own, his tardis is destroyed and his companions are dead. Pretty grim.

(Edit: Looks like the forum doesn't like embedded quotes in spoiler tags. I got rid of the quote tags so as to maintain the spoilers - Kal).

[Flipside]

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I'm not certain bringing back the Time Lords already would be a good idea, and I'm not convinced they are going to be involved in any way, just a feeling

[The E]

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Yeah, I'm rather expecting Rory to do something at this point.

[headdie]

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Rory looks good to do something out of character at the moment, also what happens when a tardis goes up like that I know it breaks the barriers in time, space, reality and the rest of it because this has already effectively been discusses when discussing the cracks and what they represent but what happens after your time stream meets the point of the explosion because I think part of the answer of how the doc gets out of this lies in that aftermath

Use spoiler tags, dammit -- The E

[Flipside]

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I'm pretty certain the way out of this lay with Rory, Amy and an engangement Ring, now Amy has essentally remembered someone who should be vanished from Time entirely, that means the damage is not irreperable, if someone can remember somebody who was part of their timeline, and was swallowed by the cracks, then they aren't fully erasing those people. I think the way out will circle around that fact more than anything else, the solution to this problem is more likely to be Human than Gallifreyan

It is worth noting, however, that we did not see the Tardis explode, we only saw a bright light, so I wouldn't even go so far as to write it off yet

[Fineus]

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We did see a backdrop of suns going supernova with the Earth in the foreground though. It looks like damage is already being done.

Are we looking at another Paradox Machine-esque ending where fixing the problem somehow means that none of it ever happened at all? Bit of a cop out...

Also, would it be as simple as Rory just letting the Doctor out somehow? Even then, I don't see how. He's not exactly the brightest chap and the Pandorical is supposed to have all kinds of locks and preventative measures on it. I don't get the impression that opening it is as easy as pushing a button on the outside...

[Flipside]

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Paradox is possible, after all, if all creation is wiped out, then there's a paradox right there, because without any Universe, there's no Universe to destroy, no Doctor to lock up etc.

This is what I mean by I hope they don't go Brannon/Braga on us, the whole 'reset button' approach would annoy me greatly.

No, I think this is a love story, and I think the answer, at least for Amy and Rory is that where the cracks are concerned, they are running in the wrong direction, but we shall see.

As for the supernovae, I'm not sure what they were exactly (ignoring the whole physics/speed of light thing) maybe the Doctor has been in the wrong universe all along, maybe the Tardis has finally decided to fix the broken Space/Time Continuum, it could really be anything at this stage.

Remember, as far as these cracks are concerned, the Cybermen never attacked London, the Daleks never attacked Earth etc, that sounds to me like one of those Universes was the 'wrong' one

[Flipside]

Interesting fact:

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Not only does the BBC site mention quite specifically that River Song travelled to Stonehenge using a Vortex Manipulator as used by Jack Harkness (a device which may still have a role to play), but the final episode airs on the same date in real life as the destruction of the Tardis in the series

[Ghostavo]

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Am I the only one annoyed at the motives of the Daleks in these episodes?

I mean they are, supposedly, trying to save the universe. Can anyone remind me what their last appearance in the last series involved?

Oh, that's right, trying to destroy the universe!

[Ransom]

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That's the only thing that bothered me. The Daleks supposedly hate all life - surely they'd be pleased by this turn of events? It would have been a lot more interesting if the Daleks had been the only ones fighting for the Doctor here.

I suppose it could be related to the fact these are the 'new' Daleks which may or may not be different from the old ones in some way other than being slightly bigger and having stupid paint-jobs.