[High Max]

;-)

[Snail]

I mean I don't see it saying in the tech database that they are dependent on nodes.

Though Shivans have used uncharted nodes and nodes too unstable for Terran and Vasudan vessels, they are as dependent on jump nodes as we are.

[High Max]

;-)

[Snail]

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Does it really matter?

[NGTM-1R]

For purposes of this discussion...

...no.

[High Max]

;-)

[Snail]

Maybe the Shivans made an inter/intrasystem jump all in one. Meaning maybe before the star exploded, they jumped from their position and into the subspace tunnel in between Capella and GD without being in front of the node and then appeared in the middle of the GD system.

The point of this maneuver being? Lose a few dozen Sathanas juggernauts needlessly in an utterly pointless move?

[High Max]

;-)

[Snail]

I doubt the Shivans would go so far to make a statement. Shivans might work in mysterious ways but that just seems ****ing retarded.

Well the way I see it, the theory postulated by the game itself is usually more likely to be true than one that is just made up by a fan.

[High Max]

;-)

[Paladin327]

perhaps they needed a lot of nebular gas to feul the fleet, and gamma drax was too small?

[High Max]

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[headdie]

I agree. However, we have some statements in the game that contradict each other. The tech database says that the Shivans were likely constructed by another entity, and Bosch said that the Ancients believed that the Shivans were born from the flux of subspace. Which one do you and most of the community accept in this case?

Also, the nebula beyond GD was likely another supernova created by the Shivans. Your wing leader of the Ravens said 'and possibly the remnant of a supernova' then we see them create a supernova at the end of FS2. It must be connected. Why would the Shivans blow up more than one star and why wait until now to do so if they are doing it to return home? They could have done it long ago.

Edited to fix spelling and add a sentence.

i tend to go with the born of subspace line as i belive it was refered to in FS1

[TrashMan]

It's hard to come to any relevant conclusions.

Now, the shivies either understand other races or they don't.

From the game, I never got the impression that they understand the Terrans or Vasudans, or care to understand them. If they are knowledgable of how other races think and act, they certanly aren't showing it, or at least don't seem to care.
Weather they want to eradicate us, befiriend us, stop our usage of subspace or just travel "home", they seem to be doing it the hard way.

Therefore, any action that is supposed to send a message or act on human/vasudan psyche seems highly improbable.

[headdie]

i like the teory that the shivans blew up capella because they like blowing **** up

[Paladin327]

i like the teory that the shivans blew up capella because they like blowing **** up

which goes along with the napoleon dynamite theory where they blew it up cos they felt like it, GOD!

[Snail]

I agree. However, we have some statements in the game that contradict each other. The tech database says that the Shivans were likely constructed by another entity, and Bosch said that the Ancients believed that the Shivans were born from the flux of subspace. Which one do you and most of the community accept in this case?

Like I said, one theory is probably more likely than the other. Both 'canon' theories are probably more valid than any fan-made theory.

Also, the nebula beyond GD was likely another supernova created by the Shivans. Your wing leader of the Ravens said 'and possibly the remnant of a supernova' then we see them create a supernova at the end of FS2. It must be connected. Why would the Shivans blow up more than one star and why wait until now to do so if they are doing it to return home? They could have done it long ago.

I do think it had something to do with Bosch and the Shivan communication nodes seen in "Into the Lion's Den". I usually take this to mean that Bosch gave them some important piece of information that allowed them to achieve their goal which they had up until that point been unable to do. As to why they chose Capella to nova and not Gamma Draconis or even the Binary System is probably significant too, but anyone's guess.

[TrashMan]

I agree. However, we have some statements in the game that contradict each other. The tech database says that the Shivans were likely constructed by another entity, and Bosch said that the Ancients believed that the Shivans were born from the flux of subspace. Which one do you and most of the community accept in this case?

ERm...the same Ancients that were convinced the shivans where an response to their sins? Some sort of heavenly fury?
With the Ancients being all doomy, gloomy and religious, and Bosch being very poetic in his monologues...I'd kinda take that with a grain of salt.

[High Max]

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[Mongoose]

Also, the nodes were collapsed in that nebula until the Knossos devices were build to recreate them. So that must mean that the Capella supernova would have also collapsed nodes, making the GTVA's efforts of collapsing nodes pointless.

How do you know that the Knossos device (singular, not plural) in the nebula wasn't built before the supernova occurred?