[Jeff Vader]

Not this **** again... Didn't Mobius fight about the plural form of Sathanas enough?

[Aardwolf]

The canonical pluralization is Sathanas juggernaughts, which neatly sidesteps the whole issue. 

"Juggernauts", sir.

[General Battuta]

The canonical pluralization is Sathanas juggernaughts, which neatly sidesteps the whole issue. 

"Juggernauts", sir.

i am owned

[Marcov]

Well when fighting Bosch and hearing that music in the C track (the music played in the mission beyond Knossos 2 and the battle against the Repulse) it felt German to me. Maybe the NTF are like Nazis? Also, maybe Bosch is a German or of German descent? The music sounds German to me for some reason. All this gives me this war feeling involving Germans. I can look up the name 'Bosch' to see if it is of German descent...

It didn't sound Nazi-ish to me, but Bosch himself looks like he's wearing a Nazi uniform. The entire thing about NTF fanatics going suicidally crazy makes them similar to the S.S., Bosch establishes the Fourth Reich 

[The E]

 

Oh, right. High Max.  comes with the territory.

[NGTM-1R]

It didn't sound Nazi-ish to me, but Bosch himself looks like he's wearing a Nazi uniform.

Bosch's uniform is about as Nazi as the State of Israel. It owes far more to WW2 era USN khakis than it does to anything else.

[Thaeris]

Gotta love the bloused combat boots on a space ship, though...



Heck, I'd do it, too. 

[x3110]

Hey,I've come with a new theory and am making a big campaign on it.

The Shivans are great destroyers.They were created by an ancient species to annhilate every other species in the universe,
but something went Wrong and the shivans started destroying everything in the whole universe including their creators themselves.

Also,the shivans now only have the sole mission to destroy every single lifeform in the whole universe.
The shivans are sensitive to subspace fluctuations and detect other species by their subspace travels.They have more knowledge of subspace than any other species in the entire Galaxy.

As to why the shivans destroyed the Capella sun Here's My Theory:
When the capella sun went supernova Such a tremendous amount of energy was released in space that the energy passed the 3 dimentions and went into subspace that energy was increased exponentially there. The subspace could not handle that much energy and ahe energy was spent by formation of new temporary phantom nodes radically from the sun which could transport ships across entire GALAXIES.The Fleet of Sathanas were used as transports to transport shivans from this galaxy to others where they could develop and spread destruction.But,only a few Sathanas were to be lucky enough that a phantom node could be formed in front of them.The rest were destroyed.
The others would carry on to reproduce and replicate their armada in time would destroy another sun to spread their empire to the entire universe.

Also,
The shivans didn't use the Draconis sun as it didnt have the necessary Mass to go supernova....


Any Critiques/suggetions or improvements?

[headdie]

Hey,I've come with a new theory and am making a big campaign on it.

The Shivans are great destroyers.They were created by an ancient species to annhilate every other species in the universe,
but something went Wrong and the shivans started destroying everything in the whole universe including their creators themselves.

Also,the shivans now only have the sole mission to destroy every single lifeform in the whole universe.
The shivans are sensitive to subspace fluctuations and detect other species by their subspace travels.They have more knowledge of subspace than any other species in the entire Galaxy.

As to why the shivans destroyed the Capella sun Here's My Theory:
When the capella sun went supernova Such a tremendous amount of energy was released in space that the energy passed the 3 dimentions and went into subspace that energy was increased exponentially there. The subspace could not handle that much energy and ahe energy was spent by formation of new temporary phantom nodes radically from the sun which could transport ships across entire GALAXIES.The Fleet of Sathanas were used as transports to transport shivans from this galaxy to others where they could develop and spread destruction.But,only a few Sathanas were to be lucky enough that a phantom node could be formed in front of them.The rest were destroyed.
The others would carry on to reproduce and replicate their armada in time would destroy another sun to spread their empire to the entire universe.

Also,
The shivans didn't use the Draconis sun as it didnt have the necessary Mass to go supernova....


Any Critiques/suggetions or improvements?

why didnt the shivans wipe out or attempt to wipe out the gtva in FS2 in that case, they certainly had the potential with minimal notable casultys to themselves

[x3110]

headdie,do you not remember that bastion and neidrid collapsed both the nodes to capella!(I am assuming neidrid finished the job)

[The E]

That was only after the GTVA realized that the Shivans had 80 Juggernaughts on their way. If the Shivans had wanted to, they could have sortied a few of them to break through the blockades and annihilate the forces sent to kill the nodes.

[headdie]

headdie,do you not remember that bastion and neidrid collapsed both the nodes to capella!(I am assuming neidrid finished the job)

yes but the shivans had 80+ sath +untold numbers of destroyers, corvettes, cruisers, fighters and bombers in system and not one made a dash to gtva space, they only comitted fighters and bombers to kill the bastion and only had a token force of a couple of cruisers at the other node who are just harassing fleeing ships, the only time you see anything bigger than a corvette in capella is in in Dunkerque where the shivans sorty a destroyer during an assault on a fearsly defended instalation and in Their Finest Hour which is a deliberate attempt to draw heavy shivan firepower away from the bastion.  there is no indication what so ever that the shivans intend to gomit xenocide again.

also it is piss poor tackicks to start an offensive in new territory when the enemy is playing in your back garden

[x3110]

All right I've got explanations for you both-
Even the best of us make mistakes Don't They.The shivans in their Arrogance decidedly chose to wipe one system clean before proceeding to other never guessing the tactics of the GTVA HIGH COMMAND.
And where do you think in the original story is said that no destroyer had entered Vega?
It could be that before the blue lions have been sortied another invasion force may have entered the node!
The  Shivans needed all their Saths to make the Capella sun unstable because wise as they are they certainly don't know everything.
Also
The shivans are such a large species That they don't see GTVA as a threat anymore!
EDIT:Plz give feedback.Anyone?

[Riptide572]

One thing I thought of is that they were using the Capella collapse to open a long range node to allow their "creators" into Terran Vasudan Space. V always stated that the "Shivans are only a symptom of a much larger problem". They've also said that the shivans appear to be bio-mechanical constructs, and possibly the  Project Etak is a way to command the shivans.

[Sabin Stargem]

I have a theory of my own, though it is conjecture.  One of the things I had noticed is that the nebula is the remains of a star gone supernova.  Furthermore, it is connected by a trio of knossos portals, one of which is to and from the Binary System, while the other is to Gamma Draconis.  I feel that it is likely that the Nebula was the result of meddling from Sathanas.  This means that collapsed stars provides some sort of resource or purpose to the Shivan agenda.  Considering the high number of Knossos portals nearby the Nebula, it is likely that area had a thriving civilization, not unlike Capella.  There isn't enough data to figure out the Shivan motives, unfortunately, all we have is some patterns that don't have enough specific details...still, I think there is one possible reason for why Shivans blow up stars that isn't directly related to genocide.

There is a game called Star Control II, in which an alien species called the Myconid were once biological terraformers.  They loyally did their work long after their masters disappeared, but they eventually came to realize how much they enjoyed it.  They were creating environments very enjoyable to them, and it wasn't unlike religion to them.  Unfortunately, their way of terraforming wasn't healthy to other species:  They send giant 'spores' across the galaxy, which impact certain life-bearing planets.  Upon impact, the spores would burrow into the crust of the planet and begin to spawn and grow.  This drastically changes the planet, increasing the heat and creating a volcanic, sulphuric world.   Terraformers gone wrong, in short.  Perhaps the Shivans are the same?

[TrashMan]

To be fair, the Shivans didn't know we had the ability/knowledge to collapse nodes. So why would they be in any hurry?

[Kolgena]

I wonder, if by some massive retcon/plot twist, the current "controllers" of the Shivans are actually the Ancients. As the Ancients were shattered, maybe a faction came up with something like ETAK or a similar device, and gained control of or at least allied with some of the Shivans. Since they're the type to go around dominating/destroying other species, their hubris might have compelled them to use the Shivans to continue this goal instead of learning from their mistake. The several millennia it took for the Shivans to show up in front of the PVE and GTA might have been the time it took for them to rebuild and relearn how all of their own stuff works.

This theory is probably horribly inconsistent with canon, which I'm not exactly an expert of. Still, I think any valid Shivan theories that might coincide with what Volition had in mind must be able to set the basis for an interesting FS3. Whether or not my fun attempt works or not is probably less an issue.

[Rodo]

To be fair, the Shivans didn't know we had the ability/knowledge to collapse nodes. So why would they be in any hurry?

No one knows what they do or do not know.

[Kolgena]

Something else just caught my eye: namely, that "Shivans are born from the flux of subspace", or something to that effect.

It doesn't make much sense for subspace to be able to put together living entities and gigantic warships, so I don't think this quote can be taken very literally. What could make sense is the idea that the first Shivans arrived through a rare type of subspace phenomenon, such as one that might result from a supernova. Since it wouldn't appear to be a type of subspace travel the Ancients were familiar with, they might have assumed that it was an entirely different mechanism at work, creating the misconception that Shivans were made from/in subspace.

I think it might give more credibility to the theory that Shivans might be able to move between galaxies, or be able to bridge isolated networks of subspace tunnels with new, supernova induced nodes.

[TrashMan]

No one knows what they do or do not know.

How CAN they know?
So shivan ship that followed the Lucifer survived to tell the tale. The Lucifer exploded and THEN the node collapsed, so the Luci itself couldn't have told them. And in FS2, the shivans never witness that we can destroy nodes before we deploy the Bastion.