[The E]

The Sekhmet is a retextured Nahema, more or less. FS2 Tech description says so.

[MatthTheGeek]

don't forget the Thoth was about to come online on their side(and no Ulysses for the GTA). Assuming no shields for anyone for quite a while, the Thoth would be quite a threat to the GTA's early fighters and bombers.

It's not emphasized as much as the Ulysses, but the Thoth is also a joint project IIRC...

Wait a sec...

The design for the Thoth was simultaneous with the design for the Ulysses, and these two ships were designed by some of the same technicians.

Well, it's not said Terran engineers worked on it, but I would bet some did. No proof about that though, and nothing says that the Thoth wouldn't have been created without Terran engineers even then (and same goes for Vasudan engineers about the Ulysses, although it's more unlikely).

[Snail]

I don't think all the new tech that flooded in during the Great War would have surfaced at nearly the same rate had the TV War gone on longer. Military spending probably skyrocketed when it wasn't politics but the existence of your entire species on the line.

[Colonol Dekker]

To be fair, i've got to say... Shivans or Zod-scum. I'd expect the governing body to treat each threat equally. At least from the whole "survival of the species" point of view.

[Snail]

The Vasudans have never been a real threat to our species. You of all people should know that, sir!

[Rodo]

I just wanna say...


Loki FTW!

[ShadowGorrath]

C'mon, Zod ships are more powerfull. IIRC, the Typhon scared the s**t out of terran admirals.

Really, being somewhat human, I hate to say this, but the zods appear as someone who'd win.

Also, I said in the long run. Any stalemate ends sometime- so even the GTA-PVE war would end sometime. And here we're assuming it'd end with someone gaining the upper hand.

[Droid803]

Zod ships more powerful? I don't think so.

Terran admirals LAUGHED at the Typhon. The only reason so few were destroyed was that whenever the Vasudans deploy it, everyone's so busy LAUGHING AT THEM that they forget to shoot at it.

The Typhon's also a technological dead end. Its power grid can only support blobs and fries when you try to put beams on it. I'd assume it have the same problems mounting whatever other sort of new tech.

Vasudan cruisers have always been jokes.

[Scotty]

They laughed at the design.  Then it kicked the **** out of them and they stopped laughing.  Better.

[Droid803]

No man, they were so busy laughing at it they didn't notice the hull breach signals while the dinky blobs slowy wore their ship down.
Obviously the gunners were too busy laughing and didn't return fire either.

You can't trust eveything tech descriptions say. I mean, where are the missile turrets on the Mjolnir?

[Snail]

C'mon, Zod ships are more powerfull. IIRC, the Typhon scared the s**t out of terran admirals.

Uhm, no not really. The Vasudans never appeared to me capable of winning the war, only capable of preventing their defeat.

As for ships, sure the Typhon was supposedly a better ship, but notice how practically all their other ships are completely inferior - The Anubis is utterly useless, their only worthwhile fighter (during the TV War) is probably the Seth, the Aten loses to the Fenris/Leviathan and most of their weapons are comparable to nonlethal training rounds. Almost all Terran ships are far more effective in combat than their Vasudan counterparts.

If the war continued indefinitely, I think the war would have eventually fizzled out and an uneasy peace would have been reached. Then a few years later, a shot or two is fired and the war breaks out again...

[MatthTheGeek]

their only worthwhile fighter (during the TV War) is probably the Seth

Don't underestimate the awesomeness of the Horus !
They also had heavy bombers (and probably bombs) long before we did.

most of their weapons are comparable to nonlethal training rounds.

You seriously need to play a pre-GW era campaign on insane bro.

[-Norbert-]

The only category were the Vasudans are clearly superiour is transports. The Sai is armed well enough to have been mistaken for a light cruiser and the Terrans have the Poseidon....
Not sure how the two freithers compare though.

I think the real reason why the first Typhon ever encountered destroyed the Eisenhower was, what MatthTheGeek already mentioned. They had bombers, we didn't. But with the Valkyries those can be countered better than with just the Apollos.
And while I agree that the Horus is a nice fighter, the Valk is better in my opinion. Look at the firepoints alone!

On a side note the Intercepter was also a joint project. If I remember correctly (hm... I'm saying that a lot in this thread....) the engine was Vasudan and the warhead Terran.

[Dragon]

You can't trust eveything tech descriptions say. I mean, where are the missile turrets on the Mjolnir?

Mjolnir is a strange case, since it had missile turrets at some point, but lost them for some (most likely gameplay) reason.
At that point, it might have been too late to change the mission briefing (and already recorded VA) and tech description, so they left them.

The only category were the Vasudans are clearly superiour is transports. The Sai is armed well enough to have been mistaken for a light cruiser and the Terrans have the Poseidon....
Not sure how the two freithers compare though.

You meant Satis?
Sai (from Inferno) is actually a light cruiser, albeit not a good one.

[Droid803]

The only category were the Vasudans are clearly superiour is transports. The Sai is armed well enough to have been mistaken for a light cruiser and the Terrans have the Poseidon....
Not sure how the two freithers compare though.

The Chronos has twice the HP as the Satis.
Sure it only has one turret but it doesn't die easily.

The Vasudans also have a freighter which is totally unarmed.

[esarai]

From what I remember reading, the Vasudans are a race of philosophers, not warriors.  The whole combat thing never really came easily to them, and as such it makes more sense that Terran weapon systems would've been more advanced.  However, the Vasudans did produce the Typhon, which when given FS2 era weapons is inferior, but stick to FS1 weapons and it was indeed the one thing on the battlefield captains absolutely did not want to see.  It was dangerous as frak, and damnably hard to catch and destroy.  Hence, I believe stalemate and eventual cease-fire is the most likely outcome.

Also coming to think about it, if the Shivans never popped up, I don't think beam weapons would've been created... It's always looked to me as if some GTVA weapons engineers looked at old holovids of the Lucifer pwning the crap out of planets and everything with its big-ass flux cannons and went "OMGZ WE SHUD TRY DAT!!!!"  A few days of drunken engineering later and the first beam cannon manages to cut a grape in half.

[Droid803]

Hmmm...weren't the Terrans also about to roll out the GTD Hades?

It doesn't seem feasible that something so...big was constructed in the short time span after the first Lucifer sighting.

The hull/plans must have existed already and the Shivan weapons integration was just tacked on, and a Destroyer with 800 000 hitpoints alone would probably be pretty damn effective cause it would take a year and a day to kill with blob turrets. (and being able to spit out 200 lokis means that its pretty well protected from bomber strikes)

[Snail]

Hmmm...weren't the Terrans also about to roll out the GTD Hades?

It doesn't seem feasible that something so...big was constructed in the short time span after the first Lucifer sighting.

The hull/plans must have existed already and the Shivan weapons integration was just tacked on, and a Destroyer with 800 000 hitpoints alone would probably be pretty damn effective cause it would take a year and a day to kill with blob turrets.

If we're going on the whole "Shivans don't appear" deal then I think we can rule out the Hades' appearance.

[headdie]

Hmmm...weren't the Terrans also about to roll out the GTD Hades?

It doesn't seem feasible that something so...big was constructed in the short time span after the first Lucifer sighting.

The hull/plans must have existed already and the Shivan weapons integration was just tacked on, and a Destroyer with 800 000 hitpoints alone would probably be pretty damn effective cause it would take a year and a day to kill with blob turrets.

If we're going on the whole "Shivans don't appear" deal then I think we can rule out the Hades' appearance.

I think we would have had a hades but it wouldn't have been so tough more like a FS1 typhon to an FS1 Orion than the flying mountain.

say 140,000 hp and Terran equivalent weaponry to the shivan stuff mounted

I think its role would have been either as a special blockade beaker (1 Hades to 3-4 Orions?), a typhon killer or as a special operations base though i think the first and second use would have been more cost effective than the spec ops role as its more of a heavy destroyer

[Snail]

The whole project of the Hades was based on Shivan technology. I really don't think it could be constructed without at least some Shivan technology. Sure they could've constructed a new destroyer but it wouldn't be anything like the hades.

Seriously, if we were capable of building a giant superdestroyer with eight times as much armor as our heaviest warship then why hadn't we done so already? Why wait 14 years?