[Kie99]

Freespace was a great game, but Freespace 2 is better in every respect.  The story has greater depth and is less cliched, it has better features such as beams that don't look like ****, better characters (The most memorable character from FS1 is Admiral Wolf, he loved the Galatea and he died on it, that's all I know about him, Bosch is a far better character), better standards of cutscenes (although Hallfight is better than anything), better weapons and better effects.

[Hades]

I hope by 'better standards for cutscenes' you mean the writing... because they look awful compared to FreeSpace 1's custscenes.

[Cobra]

Actually, FS1 had better cutscenes. In FS2, the only human model you see in the cutscenes is Bosch, and only then you see him from the back. Furthermore, every ship model and effect you see in the cutscene is used in-game (with Endgame Part 1's Sathanas being slightly modified). In contrast, FS1 had human models with lipsync, fully modeled interiors, a badass shootout, and an epic ending cutscene.

[Snail]

FS2 also had lower resolution textures on a lot of ships.

[The E]

FS1 also had the height of lazy cutscene-making in the form of those highly elaborate Ancient Monologues.

[Snail]

FS1 also had the height of lazy cutscene-making in the form of those highly elaborate Ancient Monologues.

Actually that might explain why the relative quality of the other cutscenes in FS1 were better than FS2's.

[Kie99]

I hope by 'better standards for cutscenes' you mean the writing... because they look awful compared to FreeSpace 1's custscenes.

Yes, I mean the writing.

[BlackDove]

Even taking that into account, FS1.

I think because the first one keeps it ultimately general and to the point. It gets too specific in the second one, you get your characters, Bosch, Petrarch and so forth. First one keeps it gray and transparent for the most part. It's all about the big picture. Not that the second one isn't either, but I just feel it gets bogged down in some places, while I still remain the generic transparent puppet Alpha 1.

That's just me anyway.

[Hellstryker]

FS 1.

FS 2 by far had superior gameplay, features, and models. But as far as story goes, I have to admit FS 1 is the winner.

Was it cliche'd? Absolutely. Was the ending spectacular enough to make up for it? Hell yes it was. Also, command in FS1 wasn't completely stupid. All in all I think FS 2 might actually warrant an FS2:R. Potential greatness in plot, but sub par storyline execution.

[General Battuta]

FS 1.

FS 2 by far had superior gameplay, features, and models. But as far as story goes, I have to admit FS 1 is the winner.

Was it cliche'd? Absolutely. Was the ending spectacular enough to make up for it? Hell yes it was. Also, command in FS1 wasn't completely stupid. All in all I think FS 2 might actually warrant an FS2:R. Potential greatness in plot, but sub par storyline execution.

Funny that's exactly what I think about FS1.

Also this whole 'command is stupid' meme really should have died around the time Windmills came out.

[NGTM-1R]

Also this whole 'command is stupid' meme really should have died around the time Windmills came out.

No, I'm pretty sure Windmills did nothing to actually prove/disprove that notion. It takes a wider view then you can offer in the context of an FS mission to demonstrate conclusively.

[Snail]

Also this whole 'command is stupid' meme really should have died around the time Windmills came out.

I agree. I don't think anyone did any better job handling the situation than real players did in Windmills.

No, I'm pretty sure Windmills did nothing to actually prove/disprove that notion. It takes a wider view then you can offer in the context of an FS mission to demonstrate conclusively.

I don't understand. You're saying only one mission is happening at any given time?

[NGTM-1R]

I don't understand. You're saying only one mission is happening at any given time?

I'm saying a single mission doesn't encompass a large enough area to truly convey what it means to operate on a system-wide scale. Even a big game of Homeworld or Homeworld 2 probably can't.

If you want to understand system-wide operations, I recommend studying some of Japan's early-WW2 operations. Multiply scale and value of individual combatants by a few orders of magnitude and you've got a decent concept of the scale at which FS operates. Just the difficulties that attended organizing Operation MI/AF should dispel anyone's opinion that Command isn't at least doing a decent job.

(Not that I don't still think Command could have been better at their job; merely decent isn't the objective.)

[Snail]

I'm saying a single mission doesn't encompass a large enough area to truly convey what it means to operate on a system-wide scale. Even a big game of Homeworld or Homeworld 2 probably can't.

If you want to understand system-wide operations, I recommend studying some of Japan's early-WW2 operations. Multiply scale and value of individual combatants by a few orders of magnitude and you've got a decent concept of the scale at which FS operates. Just the difficulties that attended organizing Operation MI/AF should dispel anyone's opinion that Command isn't at least doing a decent job.

(Not that I don't still think Command could have been better at their job; merely decent isn't the objective.)

So you're saying that while Windmills didn't do anything to help the matter, everyone should stop it with the "Command is stupid dhur hurr hurr" references?

[NGTM-1R]

So you're saying that while Windmills didn't do anything to help the matter, everyone should stop it with the "Command is stupid dhur hurr hurr" references?

Pretty much.

[Snail]

What did the above post originally say? D:

[Dilmah G]

Oh, he hadn't used the quote tags properly, meaning there was nothing in the quote box.

[NGTM-1R]

It originally demonstrated me screwing up deleting my own quote and breaking the quote tags.

[Snail]

Oh, I thought it was a message that would have traumatized me for life or something.

[General Battuta]

I don't understand. You're saying only one mission is happening at any given time?

I'm saying a single mission doesn't encompass a large enough area to truly convey what it means to operate on a system-wide scale. Even a big game of Homeworld or Homeworld 2 probably can't.

If you want to understand system-wide operations, I recommend studying some of Japan's early-WW2 operations. Multiply scale and value of individual combatants by a few orders of magnitude and you've got a decent concept of the scale at which FS operates. Just the difficulties that attended organizing Operation MI/AF should dispel anyone's opinion that Command isn't at least doing a decent job.

(Not that I don't still think Command could have been better at their job; merely decent isn't the objective.)

Yeah but I think Windmills illustrated the choices Command has to make in an analogous sense.