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Offline Lorric

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You're confusing her age with that of her sister, implying you subconsciously realize which one of them is really more competent but don't want to admit it.

She's 42! Even better. Is Isa 65? I actually mixed up the years in the 5th stage where she states her age with the Terran-Cyrvan war being 66 (another error) years ago.

So you were wrong Damar!  :lol:

 

Offline Legate Damar

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Only in your imagination

 

Offline Lorric

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Only in your imagination

Your stubbornness is sort of amusing.

I think we're done here.

 

Offline Legate Damar

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You've been done for a while now.

Back on topic, the Hertak are incredibly incompetent. I do not think they would have lost had they simply adhered to a few basic strategic principles.

 
If they'd just kept the damn Flagship out of the war they would have won.

Or at least kept their entire royal family off of the Flagship.

But I guess that's characteristic of any species that "learns slowly": failure to adapt.
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Offline -Norbert-

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Yes, she is. We were lucky to have her around. Destroying the Flagship single handed, rescuing the Cordi Queen single handed, forging the first Terran-Cyrvan force ever, made up of new recruits mostly into an elite fighting force and leading them to a string of victories, with inferior equipment to the enemy, all at the tender age of 65...
As much as I like Crystal, you give her a bit too much credit here.
"Forging the first Terran-Cyrvan force ever"? She didn't found the JGASF, she joined it. Sure, after a certain stage of training she was chosen as the leader, but she still originally joined up as just another volunteer among equals.

"Destroying the Flagship single handed"? And what about the whole fleet that enabled her to get close and especially Infi's sacrifice?
I agree that she's a hero for what she did and a good strategist for coming up with the plan, but to say she single handedly destroyed the Flagship all on her own is definately not true.

 

Offline Legate Damar

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Her strategies were basic and obvious, yet they still would have failed had it not been for an unlikely confluence of events.

In addition, she demonstrated a very poor and naive grasp of the concept of acceptable losses here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=71527.msg1510812#msg1510812

"I care about Terran lives"

Hah! Why?

  

Offline -Norbert-

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Yeah you are a merciless alien. WE GET IT.
No need to repeat yourself 20 times over.

 

Offline Legate Damar

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I was just discussing tactical doctrine. If you wish, we can move onto another subject, like why Zy and Aluyerian fighters look similar.

 

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"I care about Terran lives"
Hah! Why?

IIRC it stems from the Cyrvan attitude to war which seems to be more of a necessary evil than anything else.  They prepare for war out of the understanding that sometimes it is the best way to achieve a goal but would rather avoid it if they can.  For example my understanding of the T-C war was that the Cyrvans went into it with the view of it being a short term pain for a long term peace and opportunity for both civilisations to prosper. 

Also having worked closely with the Terrans in the taskforce for a prolonged period the Cyrvan members have to some degree overcome their arrogance regarding Terrans to the point where members like Crystal actually care for the Terrans as much as she does her own race.
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Offline Lorric

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If they'd just kept the damn Flagship out of the war they would have won.

Or at least kept their entire royal family off of the Flagship.

But I guess that's characteristic of any species that "learns slowly": failure to adapt.

The Cyrvans are superior to the Hertak. They would have broken them down eventually I feel.

Yes, she is. We were lucky to have her around. Destroying the Flagship single handed, rescuing the Cordi Queen single handed, forging the first Terran-Cyrvan force ever, made up of new recruits mostly into an elite fighting force and leading them to a string of victories, with inferior equipment to the enemy, all at the tender age of 65...

As much as I like Crystal, you give her a bit too much credit here.
"Forging the first Terran-Cyrvan force ever"? She didn't found the JGASF, she joined it. Sure, after a certain stage of training she was chosen as the leader, but she still originally joined up as just another volunteer among equals.

"Destroying the Flagship single handed"? And what about the whole fleet that enabled her to get close and especially Infi's sacrifice?
I agree that she's a hero for what she did and a good strategist for coming up with the plan, but to say she single handedly destroyed the Flagship all on her own is definately not true.

I'm going to have to stick to my guns on the first point. She was the leader, she called the shots. She made that wacky group of personalities, though with some significant help from Justice it must be said, into an elite team.

You're right about the destruction of the Hertak Flagship though. She had plenty of help getting into a position of being able to do it, didn't she. I guess all that just gets swept to the side by the horrible memory of that run through the ship  :lol:

That must be PURGED from the rework!

 

Offline Legate Damar

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because being an elf is merely a set back?

Well we can't all be Cardassians.

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The Cyrvans are superior to the Hertak. They would have broken them down eventually I feel.

Not if the Hertak actually used competent strategies. Of course, I've developed strategies that could have won the T-C war for either side, so perhaps my standards are a bit too high.

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I'm going to have to stick to my guns on the first point. She was the leader, she called the shots. She made that wacky group of personalities, though with some significant help from Justice it must be said, into an elite team.

What was the strategy for attacking the flagship again? Oh yes, "throw everything at it and its escorts until you can get close enough to exploit the obvious weakness". Truly a masterpiece of subtlety and complexity.

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You're right about the destruction of the Hertak Flagship though. She had plenty of help getting into a position of being able to do it, didn't she. I guess all that just gets swept to the side by the horrible memory of that run through the ship 

That must be PURGED from the rework!

It is very easy once you realize the correct orientation of your ship inside of the reactor chamber.

 
I'm not sure you could use a subtle and complex plan to destroy something the size of the Hertak Flagship.  A vessel that size can just sledgehammer through subtle and complex plans with a combination of firepower and durability, so your best bet is really to distract it with a massive fleet battle before infiltrating a small, elite force, like a single space elf in a kickass fighter.
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Note, she doesn't necessarily succeed. It's actually a very unlikely scenario, judging by the number of complaints about the mission's difficulty. For most people, the only reason she succeeds sooner or later is that they have an infinite number of replays available.

 

Offline Legate Damar

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That is not how it works. In-story there are no "replays", unless you are Q and can rewind time itself.

 

Offline Lorric

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Note, she doesn't necessarily succeed. It's actually a very unlikely scenario, judging by the number of complaints about the mission's difficulty. For most people, the only reason she succeeds sooner or later is that they have an infinite number of replays available.

Oh I'm sure she manages it in one try. Terrans like us are known to have great difficulty piloting that ship of hers.

 

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Note, she doesn't necessarily succeed. It's actually a very unlikely scenario, judging by the number of complaints about the mission's difficulty. For most people, the only reason she succeeds sooner or later is that they have an infinite number of replays available.

Oh I'm sure she manages it in one try. Terrans like us are known to have great difficulty piloting that ship of hers.

Among many other things...

 

Offline NGTM-1R

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Oh I'm sure she manages it in one try. Terrans like us are known to have great difficulty piloting that ship of hers.

It's not our fault the Cryvans have yet to grasp that if they made the ship simpler to fly, the pilot would actually have better situational awareness and be a better pilot.
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Offline Lorric

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Oh I'm sure she manages it in one try. Terrans like us are known to have great difficulty piloting that ship of hers.

It's not our fault the Cryvans have yet to grasp that if they made the ship simpler to fly, the pilot would actually have better situational awareness and be a better pilot.

The ship is designed for Cyrvans, not Terrans. The Cyrvans can handle it just fine. Multitaskers extraordinaire.

 

Offline -Norbert-

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It's not our fault the Cryvans have yet to grasp that if they made the ship simpler to fly, the pilot would actually have better situational awareness and be a better pilot.
In Stranded, there is an ending that has the player fly as a deepseeker in a Aestival "custom-tuned" for a Terran pilot, so they apperently do know how they can do it, but it's just not necessary for Cyrvan pilots, or might even lowers their own performance slightly.