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Offline Thaeris

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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
The English-speakers in the UK are pretty much the same, I'd even go so far as to suggest that the UK has the worst record for it. I'm pretty much mono-language, I can just barely speak a smattering of French, possibly enough to convey 'I'm a silly English git who got lost because he couldn't read the street signs properly'.

We need a Universal translator for our own planet.

What we need is a higher educational budget in our countries. In this manner, we can employ more specialist educators, pay them properly, and then ideally have a high enough density of them to make an impact on the public education system. Furthermore, the earlier we start with students, the better.
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
I know what some people are getting at. The same problem exists in Canada although as of yet I've never heard anyone calling our multicultural experiment a failure. Usually it's looked on as a success. But there are pockets of failure... there are people living here who aren't contributing to society, who don't speak English or French (depending on where you are), and who are generally a drain on society.  One way or another it's never a good thing to have a "sub group" like this... regardless of where it was self imposed (I say this loosely) or imposed on them.

Integration into society doesn't necessarily mean a loss of culture either. I know many who I'd say are very successfully integrated but they still have their own strong culture too. It's great to be able to show and experience all of these cultures operating together in relative harmony.  A very difficult balance to strike.
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
I suppose the thing is, people have the right to be who they are, but a lack of an ability to communicate between the two groups is the real problem.

The world does need a universal language, but how the hell we are going to get there, I haven't the faintest idea.


Wasn't a major component of 9/11 planned by muslims in Germany?


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I would think that would have been a wake up call that too  many are not assimilating.
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
Wat.

"There were extremist terrorists in Germany.  That must mean they aren't assimilating enough!"

That's what I just heard you say.

 

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aw ****, 9/11 and terrorism just got folded into this, all we need now is global warming and evolution and this will be the most epic argument thread in HLP history!
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
It's pretty common for first generation immigrants to not have a big grasp of the native language. Usually it's their offspring or younger children that are more assimilated. At least in my experience.

 

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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
aw ****, 9/11 and terrorism just got folded into this, all we need now is global warming and evolution and this will be the most epic argument thread in HLP history!

You forgot gun rights and taxes.

 

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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
It's pretty common for first generation immigrants to not have a big grasp of the native language. Usually it's their offspring or younger children that are more assimilated. At least in my experience.

Most of my linguistics texts back that up. Takes three generations for immigrants to assimilate linguistically (from a linguistic view, so cultural stuff is separate). The first speaks only their native language and a bit of the "new" language. The second generation grows up bi-lingual, and the third only learns a tad of the native tongue and most of the new language.  Generalizations, but they often hold true.

 

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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
You forgot gun rights and taxes.

I don't think we've ever had a serious tax discussion.
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
You forgot gun rights and taxes.

I don't think we've ever had a serious tax discussion.

Well, if by 'serious' you mean 'well-informed,' then no.  But I'm pretty sure S-99 was serious when he posted.

Actually, haven't we rehashed the "Rich should pay higher taxes" argument more times than I can readily recount?

Back OT:  Honestly, if they're paying taxes like they should, working if they need to, and following the laws, what's the problem?  Unless there's a conflict with the official language of a country (is German official there, or just customary?), there should be no problem at all.

Then again, that same position holds true in the United States, no matter how stupid the arguments are.

 

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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
It's pretty obvious "Western" English mixed with Chinese should be the world language.

 
 
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
It's pretty obvious "Western" English mixed with Chinese should be the world language.

 
 
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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
Most of my linguistics texts back that up. Takes three generations for immigrants to assimilate linguistically (from a linguistic view, so cultural stuff is separate). The first speaks only their native language and a bit of the "new" language. The second generation grows up bi-lingual, and the third only learns a tad of the native tongue and most of the new language.  Generalizations, but they often hold true.
Hmmm,

My parents emigrated from Sri Lanka to Australia as borderline bilinguals who struggled to understand what was being said to them when they arrived. Now, however, both of my parents speak English almost as frequently their native tongue if not more. Home conversations nowadays are split almost 50/50 Sinhalese to English.

I was (kind of) bilingual during my earlier childhood and originally spoke Sinhalese far more frequently (and probably more competently) than English, though I can only write in English. As I got older and grew up in an English-speaking educational system, that reversed to the point where I can top the first semester English exam for the year and understand about 50% of Sinhalese in general (about 95% of what my parents say to me) and lack the ability to actually speak the language in a sensible manner (with my accent making it hard to pronounce several of the more common sounds).

My younger sister on the other hand fits into what looks to be by that statement, someone who's a third generation immigrant. She's grown up speaking English and learned how to read and write in it after I taught her some of the basics prior to her entering school (much to the surprise of her teachers and classmates :P ). In contrast to this, she doesn't recognise more than about 50-60 words of Sinhalese and doesn't speak the language at all.

I'd say my parents fit more into what you'd call the second generation of immigrants, however.

 

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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
It's pretty common for first generation immigrants to not have a big grasp of the native language. Usually it's their offspring or younger children that are more assimilated. At least in my experience.

Most of my linguistics texts back that up. Takes three generations for immigrants to assimilate linguistically (from a linguistic view, so cultural stuff is separate). The first speaks only their native language and a bit of the "new" language. The second generation grows up bi-lingual, and the third only learns a tad of the native tongue and most of the new language.  Generalizations, but they often hold true.

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In 1961 Germany and Turkey arrangend a recruitment contract for turkish workers.
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
Yes. Back in the 60s, Germany's economy was so strong that the present workforce in Germany wasn't sufficient, so people from Turkey and Italy (predominantly) were given incentive to work here. The expectation was that they would work here for a few years, then return home.

That, obviously, was wrong. Unfortunately, german politics have been in a state of denial about this fact, and were rather hoping the situation would take care of itself. Which was wrong as well.

So basically, the current situation is a ****ing ****fest the same conservative politicians that are now trying to Do Something (TM) rode us into. Cluster**** doesn't begin to describe it.
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
Are the Turks... stealin their jurbs?
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No but there are sometimes problems with integration. I'm not really annoyed like some other people are about it - besides the fact that I've been bullied from time to time by some immigrants (not only turkeys) in my past time at school.
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
It's pretty obvious "Western" English mixed with Chinese should be the world language.

 
 
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Re: damn mexicans need to learn english
In 1961 Germany and Turkey arrangend a recruitment contract for turkish workers.

The reason I brang this up is because in this case we are not dealing solely with first generation immigrants.
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