[Davros]

no, but if those games had been higher res, higher detail would you of enjoyed them more
i reckon yes you would
and higher res and higher detail require more horsepower

i enjoyed space invaders on my 8086 with a green screen monitor
but I would never try to use that to argue that colour in computer games is not important or doesnt matter

[General Battuta]

i don't think that's true at all, i doubt if you measured the quantity of fun those people were having then and compared it to games now that there's any difference

[StarSlayer]

no, but if those games had been higher res, higher detail would you of enjoyed them more
i reckon yes you would
and higher res and higher detail require more horsepower

and the endless cycle of buying new hardware continues.  Quite frankly I find the current state of graphics to be quite sufficient, it's diminishing marginal returns at this point.  Unless they come up with something radically new and different I'd rather they spend more effort perfecting other parts of the development craft then squeezing out some higher rez crap that overall doesn't make much difference and making me have to replace major parts of a computer every couple years to keep up.

[General Battuta]

good animation and good AI are far more important than good graphics at this point

if half the resources spent on graphics went into those we would have better games

[Davros]

agreed, but does good a.i require more computation the answer is yes
(note that i didnt say that more computational power = better a.i)

[headdie]

Certainly in terms of PC gaming gameplay needs to be worked on more in general especially to play towards the Pc's strengths and as mentioned A.I. is always a tricky balance to maintain

[Davros]

ps: I decided to test your theory only with half life as i dont have alpha centuri
first i loaded weve got hostiles level in software at 640x480
then I played the same level in opengl at 1600x1200
and I enjoyed the latter more and i just cant imagine anyone who wouldnt

[General Battuta]

i very much doubt that anyone playing the game in 1999 had less fun than you did playing it in 2011

i just replayed alpha centauri recently and it was one of the most fun game experiences i've ever had

[Davros]

I would say those people who in 1999 had pc's that struggled playing half life did have less fun than those that had better pc's
in fact i know someone in that situation because i upgraded their pc for them so they could play half life and unreal
and when I installed a voodoo3 in his pc he enjoyed those games much more

[General Battuta]

shame, they could've gotten it on console and be guaranteed a good experience

[Davros]

or they could of gotten it on a pc that was up to the job and also guaranteed a good experience

[General Battuta]

and i think that settles the point.

[Davros]

yes in my favour your saying getting the game on a console guarantees a good experience because the console has the performance to do the game justice (as opposed to an underpowerd pc without a 3d card) unless your saying the console guarentees a good experience for a different reason ?

[General Battuta]

i'm saying that different people live in different circumstances with different tastes and different abilities and may then want to get the games on different platforms because they are different.

[Davros]

different platforms because they are different.

you previously maintained the difference between platforms didnt matter hence arguing which one was better was pointless

[General Battuta]

different platforms because they are different.

you previously maintained the difference between platforms didnt matter hence arguing which one was better was pointless

i argued they didn't matter to the enjoyment you could derive

i've had as much fun playing smash with four people on a ****ing Wii as i have playing crysis wars on my home-built uber-PC at lan parties

fun is not in the anti-aliased gigahurtzels

[Herra Tohtori]

Video is relevant and has all the arguments required to end this discussion.

[Davros]

and i disagree, if you do an apples to apples comparison ie: the same game then if its running at a higher resolution with better quality graphics then you will enjoy it more

ps: to quote that great sage Mr Jeremy Clarkson
behold the magnificence

[General Battuta]

i'm sorry i don't recall being able to play smash on my pc with a bunch of people jumping around a loft in a big common room

[TrashMan]

i very much doubt that anyone playing the game in 1999 had less fun than you did playing it in 2011

i just replayed alpha centauri recently and it was one of the most fun game experiences i've ever had

And if had updated graphics and interface, you would have had even more fun!