[Kolgena]

The greebles feel too thematically similar to those on the Medusa. That might be the root of the problem.

[Hades]

Telling someone to change their modeling style just because you find its association to vaguely similar detail on another model of the same modeler ruins a ship for you is silly

[Kolgena]

I'm not saying that it's ruining the ship, but they're clearly different generations of ships and should look different because of that.

Whatever, I'll wait for more progress before saying anything else.

[Mars]

I can think of only a hand-full of other people I'd trust as completely with the Deimos. If it looks too different for some people, well, they can play with the current hi-poly model.

[Fury]

Definitely will do that, good idea.

There's no need to make a separate version with side mounted turrets. One will be enough. By default we can table these side turrets not to be functional, untargetable and carry any damage received straight to hull. Then any mods can enable these with just tabling.

[Hades]

Yeah, was definitely going to do that.

[Droid803]

But then we can see fake turrets...

Hell, people were complaining about extra nearly-invisible turrets (potentially) appearing on the Cain/Lilith (and on the Typhon)...
You couldn't even tell those were turrets, but people still complained about them.

I don't think big, honking fake multiparts on the side of the hull is such a good idea...

[Fury]

Let haters hate and let the rest not give a ****.

[Droid803]

Fine. I'll just chop them off with PCS2 for my "MediaVPs" copy and keep the one with them for if I ever intend to use them.
Takes all of five seconds anyway \o/.

[Asteroth]

The point is to make two separate models. One, normal HTL Deimos with the same turrets for use as a replacement for the current Deimos and another HTL Deimos except with the turrets that were cut for use in custom campaigns.

It is doubtful the model with the new turrets would even be in the MVPs, but rather released separately.

[Fury]

I see no reason to make two separate models when you can do just one and let tabling do the rest. It is no reason to complain any if you see non-functional turrets on the side, but of course that doesn't stop people from complaining since that's what they do the best.

Now though, this subject is pointless until the Deimos is complete. So lets shut up about it and let Hades keep working.

[Hades]

It's funny, no one suggests cutting off the side bombardment beams on the Lucifer or even wines about them. I also find it funny how a lot of people were going 'don't greeble it too much, make it smooth' and when I do just that, people start going 'it's too smooth, angle it back out'. It's quite hilarious.

[Fury]

Yes indeed. I can definitely see why some people like RGA opts to keep their work under wraps until it is mostly done, even if that led to having two different Saths but whatever.

[MatthTheGeek]

The problem about those side turrets here is that they are big, very visible multiparts. Which wasn't the case of the Lucy's side bombardment beams. But I'm just all like "Whoe cares" anyway, people who don't like that can, like Droid said, grab PCS2 and remove em. 2 min job.

Keep up the good work Hades.

[Mars]

The problem about those side turrets here is that they are big, very visible multiparts. Which wasn't the case of the Lucy's side bombardment beams. But I'm just all like "Whoe cares" anyway, people who don't like that can, like Droid said, grab PCS2 and remove em. 2 min job.

Keep up the good work Hades.

The Luci's bombardment beams are nearly the size of a Fenris. There aren't a lot of turrets bigger or more visible than that.

The Deimos not using its side multi-parts could easily be because they serve a specialty purpose the player knows nothing about, or because they're not worth the energy in most situations. Hell, maybe they're bombardment guns, or for shooting space-jumping Shivans. I don't see what the big deal is having a  non-functional gun or four.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

The problem about those side turrets here is that they are big, very visible multiparts. Which wasn't the case of the Lucy's side bombardment beams.

Not... really. The Lucifer's bombardment beams' radius is about that of a Fenris' height.

The Lucifer's bombardment beams don't actually look like beams, there's the knack. They could just as well be a completely different piece of alien technology. In addition, the addition of those didn't change that much from the original, it just added four prongs - which were also visible in all CBanims and cutscenes, and can hence be assumed to be "what meant to do with it".
Now this Deimos has big obvious extra turrets, really shouting "I'M SUPPOSED TO BE SHOOTING STUFF BUT I DON'T LOLOLOL". They were only there to make the box art look cool, and they are not present anywhere in the actual game - look at the endgame1 cutscene, note the absence of big honkin' side turrets on the Deimos there.
Point is, I don't think you can compare these added turrets to the Lucifer's.

In the FS universe there just is no sensible reason to have fake turrets; the Shivans really are not scared away by them. In addition, imagine the load of newbies that will pop up going "why aren't those turrets firing plz help me I want them to shoot stuff".
Compare this to Fury's (nothing personal btw) main argument for having only one version: "because we can".

In short, I really think that having two separate versions is the better option. The benefits of it will greatly outweigh the extra modelling work.

[Black Wolf]

There has to be 2 versions, or it wont go into the MediaVPs, surely? There's precedent for disallowing ships with extra turrets, this would presumably be no different.

[Rga_Noris]

Only if the extra turrets worked by default would it automatically break the rule. Otherwise, it is up for debate.

If the extra turrets occluded another turret/subsystem and made it more difficult to hit, or broke a mission because it could not be hit from a certain angle, it would be an issue and have to be removed. I highly doubt that would ever happen, and the FSU has pretty thorough testing standards anyways, so it would be caught anyways.

And again, its a two second PCS2 job. 4 seconds if PCS2 crashes.

Also, please do not forget: Hades is FSU. He knows the rules and he knows how far he can stretch it. Also, he has suddenly become one of the more impressive modelers on HLP, so I trust him.

This debate should be put to rest. It is no longer relevant.

[Black Wolf]

Impressive modeller or not, people jumped all over Trashman when he suggested and did this exact same thing - how or why should this be different? Especially on such a (relatively) small ship, where the turrets are so much more prominent?

[Rga_Noris]

R U SRS?

Did you find one, and only one thing out of my post, pull it out, and ignore everything?

Your concern: "(relatively) small ship, where the turrets are so much more prominent"

FSU. TESTING. CATCH BUG. SQUASH BUG. Jesus man I addressed any concerns of game breaking in the last post.

And. If you still cannot find satisfaction within that response, and assuming FSU does not find any errors and removes the turrets themselves, then you can plop your ass into PCS2, find the turrets, and click the little red 'x'.

Can we shut up about this now?