[MR_T3D]

I see your point, I've just been so looking forward to the game because I've been a fan of the series since 2002, and seeing this core imbalance now is worrying me, so I try to bring it up whenever relevent, because if DICE notice it, they should fix it, though I'm not sure making the flares and smoke standard equipment will be easily patched in.  I hope so, though

[General Battuta]

I see your point, I've just been so looking forward to the game because I've been a fan of the series since 2002, and seeing this core imbalance now is worrying me, so I try to bring it up whenever relevent, because if DICE notice it, they should fix it, though I'm not sure making the flares and smoke standard equipment will be easily patched in.  I hope so, though

The easy way to avoid Stingers and AAA is to fly high and stick to the map edges until you've unlocked flares. The real ***** for new pilots is going to be learning to evade heatseekers launched by other jets

[Grizzly]

Eh? Someone told me that Jets did not have AA missiles in BF3.

[Dilmah G]

Going to be disappointed like anything if that's the case. Although from what I hear since my X-52 isn't an xbox controller it probably won't be liked very much by the game anyway.

[General Battuta]

Eh? Someone told me that Jets did not have AA missiles in BF3.

'Someone' was probably not SICK PRO enough to unlock them, because for some utterly confounded reason you don't start with them. Jets have heatseekers and air-to-ground missiles, as well as flares, chaff, an extinguisher, electronically scanned radar, a stealth package, and a bunch of other selectable **** (you only have three slots though, one for an upgrade, one for a defense, one for a weapon).

Plus modeled corner velocity and a pretty tight gun.

So in conclusion 'someone' was ****ing wrong and Dilmah won't be disappointed. I put about ten hours into jets, had quite a bit of fun. Heatseekers aren't actually as important as the gun IMO, but they're hell and a half to evade without flares.

[Dilmah G]

NICE. Now here's to hoping I somehow scrape the cash together for a PC sweet enough to run this baby. **** was chugging on BF:2142.

[Pred the Penguin]

How old exactly is your pc? O_o

[Achillion]

How old exactly is your pc? O_o

+1

Same exact reaction here.
My old PC ran BC2 fine, I upgraded recently for DX3 and I still had some trouble with BF3beta.
I'm thinking BF3 is going for the "new Crysis" title.

[Dilmah G]

Coming on four/five years, I believe, but ****e, stuff was pretty entry level when I got it. So plus two makes it seven years max. T'is ooold, but then again, was running on a ****ty Windows 98 before that. Admittedly I had an XP laptop that sufficed for most of my needs. It ran freespace, so.

[Pred the Penguin]

If you sell your 360 and all of the games you have for it you'll probably have enough money for a descent PC.

[Achillion]

If you sell your 360 and all of the games you have for it you'll probably have enough money for a descent PC.

I don't think a Descent PC will cost that much to be honest.

[Dilmah G]

If I sell my 360 then I'll have no shooters I'm good at.

[Pred the Penguin]

Get a gamepad? Most new PC games are poorly optimized for mouse & keyboard anyways...

If you sell your 360 and all of the games you have for it you'll probably have enough money for a descent PC.

I don't think a Descent PC will cost that much to be honest.

[QuantumDelta]

Get a gamepad? Most new PC games are poorly optimized for mouse & keyboard anyways...

+  +  + = my reaction

[Pred the Penguin]

Or maybe not? Fine I'll drop that...
And I'm getting way off-topic anyways.

Battlefield 3! Awesome stuff, but too expensive for me to buy on release... even though I have acess to a computer that can probably run it at full graphic settings.

[IceFire]

Get a gamepad? Most new PC games are poorly optimized for mouse & keyboard anyways...

+  +  + = my reaction

Don't worry...Battlefield 3 plays perfectly using mouse and keyboard the way all FPS games on PC should be played. So far my only disappointment is how messed up the game is with my X-52 joystick. But that was beta. Final release I hope to see improvements.

[Achillion]

The controls in the beta were a mess.
You couldn't access key bindings half the time and if you play with inverted mouse (like I do), it was basically random what you would get when entering a vehicle.
- In jeeps, vertical look was non-inverted (mouse fwd = look up).
- In jets, the thumbstick on my gameboard was not inverted (stick fwd = nose up) and I had to change it manually in the keybindings ... but I had to bind it as stick fwd = nose up for it to work the other way when actually flying.
- The same happened for left right controls: if I set the "jet roll left" setting to "thumbstick right", it would work correctly.

It was marvellous!

[Achillion]

I'm getting really confused with all the BF3 news. Haven't been following their blog or anything (I just went there for an update now) and all I get is news headlines from game sites and what I read here but it seems that a lot of stuff is going on.
I read things about Steam release still being uncertain (~1 week before release); DICE promising the Commo rose for PC; in-game VoIP for PC being uncertain for launch.

It's the first time I've considered getting a game with this much coverage and so much uncertainty. For most games, I usually know if I'm going to buy on launch or not from the title alone. I've been on the fence for BF3 for ages and all these "maybes" aren't helping.

...
Screw it ... I'll get it for the Christmas-New year's holidays. I'll take a week off and destroy my brain with Battlefielding!

[IceFire]

Yes the controls and a bunch of other things were a bit messed up... but then it was a BETA Stuff like that happens. I particularly loved the grenades that get stuck in tall grass and shrubs or fall through the floor. It was always sort of funny to see grenade bounce a few times and then fall through. Ooops!

So far the comments from people playing the most recent builds are that all of these control issues, people going through floors, getting stuck in places, etc. is fixed in the final builds. The beta was a couple of months old when we got it so it's no surprise at all that it wasn't a polished product. The whole point was to pound the heck out of the servers... and that we all did I think

[Achillion]

Oh definitely, I wasn't even complaining there, just though it was interesting enough to point out.
The most interesting bug though was the stretchy necks you saw on proned soldiers. I think they should keep that in the final build. It was hilarious and creepy at the same time.