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Offline IceFire

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I love the new multiplayer trailer. Very excited by this impending release... the scale is much more like Battlefield 2 than the Bad Company games which always seemed to be a couple of scales down from the full combat that BF2 had (and 1942 before that).
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BC2 suffered from the relatively low player cap of 32 players and the maps had to be scaled accordingly. Heavy Metal, the largest BC2 map, always feels sort of empty, even when the servers are full.
I think we can all blame consolitis for that.

64 player CQ maps is what BF games are about.
I think once BF3 is released we should start demanding they patch the PC version for 128 players. Who's with me?

 

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That sounds insane, how would you even keep track of the battlefield? lol

 
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That sounds insane, how would you even keep track of the battlefield? lol
You get a true sense of the term "fog of war". You focus on your small corner of the overall battle. In Battlefield 2 we had some fantastic scenarios that fit 64 players and the action was intense and incredible. You would see tanks rolling past one one side, infantry charges on the other side, tracers all over the place... I'd usually work the sides and secure control points as best I could.
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Offline Al-Rik

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BC2 suffered from the relatively low player cap of 32 players and the maps had to be scaled accordingly. Heavy Metal, the largest BC2 map, always feels sort of empty, even when the servers are full.
I think we can all blame consolitis for that.
MAG, a Game exclusive for the PS3 has 256 Players per Server.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAG_%28video_game%29

The number of players is mostly limited by the server, and by the amount of information needed to send to each player.
I don't doubt what it would be possible to play with 128 or even 256 Players at one Server...
If DICE takes out the Jets and the destructible Buildings and Landscape, to reduce the amount of information needed to send to each player. 

In fact, servers with 128 Players are possible in BF2. http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=164203
It's also possible to use a lot of destructible objects in a BF2 Map, but it lags like hell if you play online (and Buildings still cast the same shadow after destruction).

Great Maps can be fun even with few players, if the game mode is right. Bad Company ( and BF 2/BF 2142 ) don't have a game mode like Flag to Flag / Supply line, were you have to capture the flags in a specific order.
That game mode works well in some BF2 and in the BF 2142 Star Wars Mod First Strike to keep the players concentrated, allowing intense battles around the flag.

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64 player CQ maps is what BF games are about.
I think once BF3 is released we should start demanding they patch the PC version for 128 players. Who's with me?
IMHO for DICE & EA is BF3 about the Singleplayer Campaign.
The whole marketing spins around the Singleplayer and who much better this campaign will be compared to Call of Duty.
Oh, and the other thing that makes BF3 better as CoD is the destructible Environment, something CoD doesn't have.
And the GFX ist better as CoD, and the game is more realistic as CoD, and CoD, and CoD, and... ;)
So I don't think they will patch BF3 to 128 players, especially if it's necessary to cut down the destruction to get a higher player cap.
Remember: CoD doesn't have 128, so why should BF3 have such a high player cap ?
Most of the Maps would be optimized for 32 players, an some game modes like rush or squad death match have a player cap of 32 ( even if you run them on a 64 player server )

The other thing is that they don't have the BF2 Commander in BF3, so there is no change to coordinate the squads.
So BF3 will have the same problem as Bad Company 2: Every Squad does his own thing, without coordination.
Half of the squads will camp as Snipers in the hills, the rest will run without plan from flag to flag, leaving the former captured flags without defence.
And at the end of the round your team is the looser, because in the other team is a clan with 3 full squads in the same teamspeak.

The best game for large battles with many players wouldn't be Battlefield 3.
It's MAG, or the upcoming Planetside 2, or ARMA II ( and the upcoming ARMA III)...

 
I wasn't expecting my joke about us campaigning for 128 players to spark any replies to be honest. Not that I wouldn't like it. I'm aware of MAG, I heard the hype surrounding it before launch, but have no idea if it "worked" and how well it was received. The thing with MAG though is that it was built from the ground up for massive combat situations.

I don't think BF3 would have a hard time handling 128 players. Sure it'll be a mess, but performance wise (number crunching wise), if you don't change the maps, there's only so much more information you're sending out (64 more positions and actions basically). Then again, you're the modders around here so my guesses are the least educated.

Regardless, I wasn't seriously suggesting we start requesting doubling the player cap. My post was merely about what IceFire said about the scale of BF BC2 with respect to other BF titles. I just got a little carried away.

The best game for large battles with many players wouldn't be Battlefield 3.
It's MAG, or the upcoming Planetside 2, or ARMA II ( and the upcoming ARMA III)...

I disagree. The best game for large battles would be the best game that also has large battles. If BF3 is a better game than ARMA or MAG, it may not have the scale, but it'll still be a better game.
Of course, this is highly speculative since (a) BF3 could fail (it hasn't launched yet so let's not make anything a certainty) and (b) I have no idea how good the other games work because I've never played either of those in multiplayer.

My point is, if the game is great and it's big (and 64 players still ranks as big), then it would be better than a bigger game that's not as good.

 
Tribes.

Incidentally, if you have problems with noobs using sniper rifles etc all the time, stop joining noob servers.
There are elitist bastard servers out there in other BF games, there will be in BF3.
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Heh, noobs tend to flock to playing sniper in TF2 as well.  Guess it's a universal thing.

 

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I think I'll just leave this right here. Because it's related.

 

Offline IceFire

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Heh, noobs tend to flock to playing sniper in TF2 as well.  Guess it's a universal thing.
Because they think that they can sit comfortably at the back of the battle and pick guys off. No matter the game :)

However, what happens is they sit back there not killing anything, not spotting anything and in general contributing little to the battle. I love to play as a sniper in the battlefield games because you can act as eyes for your squad mates. I spot bad guys, hit the ones hiding in the difficult to get at places for the other players and in general cause havoc. Oh and I can actually kill stuff with a sniper rifle consistently.

Although often I tend to go tactical sniper and equip a 4X scope on a semi-auto and work up front with the squad too.

Unfortunately what happens are snipers are universally reviled...
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However, what happens is they sit back there not killing anything, not spotting anything and in general contributing little to the battle. I love to play as a sniper in the battlefield games because you can act as eyes for your squad mates. I spot bad guys, hit the ones hiding in the difficult to get at places for the other players and in general cause havoc. Oh and I can actually kill stuff with a sniper rifle consistently.

I took the recon class and picked up the Thompson. Works neatly :P. I don't play much recon, but I usually throw motion sensors everywhere and wait for the spotted people to stick their head out, then attempt to shoot them in the head. It does not work all the time though... Mabye I should use those mortar strikes more.

 
My proudest moment in BC2 was defending a com station, as recon, hiding in a shrub, shooting people in the back with a shotgun as they jumped over my position. Looking forward to more hidey-sneaky stuff from BF3.

 
Are there still people playing BF2142 - and will there still be people playing after BF3 is released? BC2 is running a bit choppy for me, for some reason, and I won't get upgrades any time soon...

 

Offline Dilmah G

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I was a religious 2142 bloke back in the day and I remember going on last year - was disappointed, not many people on so that may be a no go. :( Would still advise you to boot her up and give it a go.

  
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Offline Al-Rik

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Are there still people playing BF2142 - and will there still be people playing after BF3 is released? BC2 is running a bit choppy for me, for some reason, and I won't get upgrades any time soon...

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And I don't think that BF3 will have a big impact, because the big dying of BF2142 was in 2010 when Bad Company 2 was released for PC.

If you want to play BF 2142:
Correct Patch order:
1.4 full -> 1.5 full -> 1.51 full.
It's a lot to patch, but 1.51 contains the Boosterpack Northern Strike and 3 additional Maps.

If you're a Star Wars fan, try out First Strike:
http://www.fsmod.com/index.php?xnewsaction=getcomments&newsarch=092011&newsid=4

Back 2 Topic:
So, have anyone (from the USA/Canada) played BF3 yet ?
According to the review of gamespy the game lack teamwork features:
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/battlefield-3/1210517p1.html
« Last Edit: October 24, 2011, 01:51:31 pm by Al-Rik »

 

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Gamespy is wrong, ingame VOIP is always terrible and it's why we have vent/mumble

 
Because teamspeak is the devil.

Although I agree with you about ingame voip being terrible in generally, coincidentally, Heroes of Newerth ingame voip is actually awesome.
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and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."