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Offline sigtau

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tl;dr version:  ****'s going on at school, involving people I am forced to be around due to the education system.  This is my rant, posted as a blog post elsewhere.

Tried to stay objective despite my teen RAEG.

I'd like you guys' thoughts.

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As a quick disclaimer, you aren't required to read or care about anything contained in this little note, even if it pertains to you.  Make what you want of it.  If you think I'm a liar, someone who cries about everything that doesn't go his way, or something to that effect, so be it--I only write this because I want the people that *do* care to understand my point of view on things.

Many of you guys know me as being the nerdy guy, the geek, that sort of thing.  I have no problem with this.  In fact, I embrace it--of course, it's not how I introduce myself to other people, but it's definitely a part of my personality.  (I mean, if you aren't already a nerd, how likely would it be for you to become close friends with someone who introduces himself by saying "Hi, I'm Will, and I spend extended periods of time on the computer"?  I know I wouldn't!)

Now, that being said, it needs to also be noted that I'm typically--out of the larger groups of friends--the one most likely to get picked on.  I don't have much of a problem with this, either--I completely understand that I'm the guy that gives off that 'vibe' of being the one to pick on.  99% of the time, I won't care--it's just who I am.

However, it needs to be said that a line has to be drawn somewhere.

People, to be blunt, can be asses.  This is a fact of life.  Sometimes, being an ass can easily make you the center of attention in a group, and to me, this sounds like human nature, which I won't question.  However, people such as myself who are in the position of being 'that guy' in the group (the one to pick on, if the time is right) have a point at which it becomes just unnecessary to be made fun of.

What I'm getting at is that it sickens me to see people get a sense of entitlement that because they are the asshole of the group (pardon my French), and because of this sense of entitlement, it becomes completely okay of them to make fun of other people for certain things, even after they have been asked to stop.

Most people would simply suggest that ignoring the jerk of the group is the easy way to end your problems.  However, when they're the center of attention, it's irritatingly difficult to simply ignore them--they aren't looking for a reaction from the victim, they just want a reaction from the group--and they'll be satisfied.  Sucks more for those who can't simply separate themselves from the group of people, for example, if it's mandatory (or almost mandatory) for them to be around such people.

It doesn't stop there, either.  In a group of friends, everyone seems to have the back of everyone else, and when a split occurs, someone's going to take sides.  The people who side with the jerk, in this instance, will openly wonder why the more sensitive group members can't simply laugh at themselves once in a while.

The reason being because people like myself are picked on all the time.  We laugh at ourselves daily, almost every time we're in the group.  Yet, the one time we actually show a visible anger or reaction to the situation, the people doing the picking suddenly become the victims of the situation.  Perhaps a few other group members will take your side, but it isn't going to be enough to quell the people who want you to--for lack of a better phrase--be the ***** of the group.

For those of you who know exactly what I'm talking about:

1. Don't tell me to laugh at myself.  You give me plenty of daily opportunities to do so.  As an example: my voice cracks a bit more than it should, and this is something you poke fun at plenty.  I laugh with it just about every time it's mentioned.

2. Just because you or someone else is the jerk of the group, it doesn't entitle them to poke fun at me.  If they're like this all the time, and you recognize it as being a problem, why do you do nothing to stop it?  Why do you take their side?  You know who you are.

3. Don't even bother trying to say you're sorry, especially if you're doing it regularly.  It means nothing to me anymore, and it shows that you lack integrity to actually know what the term 'sorry' really means.

4. I'm not a ***** for posting this.  What has been said here needs to be said.  I have every right to be upset with this.

5. Sensitivity may be a weakness, but it's gotten me much farther than any of the people this note is targeted at will ever be able to understand.  If you think sensitivity is an absolute weakness, you will not last long in the world.

Thanks for reading, and if you don't understand what I'm talking about (or you have no idea of the situation), you're free to ask me in private.  It's not my place to discuss this openly, especially this early on.

As for the ones that know this note is directed at them (i.e. the people I'm not happy with), you know who you are.  This is your chance to stop now.  I'm a pacifist, but if you give me a reason to fight, and diplomacy no longer works, I have no other choice.
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Offline Mars

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I was actually just thinking about how everyone in my life seems to regard me as incompetent (my best friend just flat out told me so)

The trick is to just not give to ****s if your wife hates you, or mother thinks you were a mistake, live, love, it doesn't guarantee you'll be respected, loved, or liked, but at least you stand a chance of being an alright person. In this world, that's an accomplishment.

 

Offline sigtau

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Like I said in the post, simply ignoring it isn't working--it's a hive-mind.  If he gets a reaction from the group, he gets what he wants.  My reaction is simply a bonus.

I just feel like I have put up with **** for far too long.
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Offline Dilmah G

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The only thing I can really think of is to make a good comeback call whenever he tries to tear into you. Even if it feels like you're being a bit of an ass by making a witty comment back at him that can (at times) be insulting, it'll give him the message and he might ease up.

Also, have you discussed this with your other friends/bystanders?

 

Offline sigtau

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Yes, Dilmah, I have.

In fact, at the time of the last incursion between he and I, I actually shouted "**** this" in the presence of a teacher, and simply grabbed my things and left.  I was later consuled with by another friend who takes my stance on the situation.  There's not a lot of people who seem to take my stance in this situation and stay involved with the group.
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Offline Dilmah G

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Ah, hmmm. Well I think the least effort consuming and subtle way of solving it would be to reply with a witty comment now and then when he tries it, but I don't know if that's applicable here. :\

Hm, I don't really know how to tackle this one at the moment, sorry.

 

Offline Tyrian

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Hey sigtau,  I sent you something that might help.  Check your PMs when you get a chance.
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My solution when stuff like this happened was to just leave. Leave and not come back for a while. If people are that unpleasant to be around, then, quite simply, don't be around them.

Of course, this was my solution because if I get mad I tend to get really mad, and then I say/do things I regret. Therefore me leaving was my way of making sure that that didn't happen. Gave me a chance to calm down, too.

Don't know if this is the best solution. Probably isn't. I can tell you that because of this I've ended up with few people I can truly call friends... which is something I'm alternately happy and regretful about. :blah:

Hmmm... have you asked the guy directly to stop? Sometimes this actually works, surprisingly. If he tells you then that you need to laugh at yourself, then just tell him (politely, if possible) that you've had enough and he's gone too far. (Why politely? Because it makes you look like the good guy in everyone's eyes... oh and, y'know, it's polite.  ;))
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Offline blackhole

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You need new friends.

I am dead serious.

The proper way to deal with this situation is to have your own group of friends who respect you for who you are, which should include spending excessive amounts of time on the computer and whatever other quirks you may have. These people exist and they are entirely willing to be friends with you. These friends should back you up against pretty much any kind of excessive bullying, and they'll probably know when things go too far. If the group you are hanging out with predominately sides with the bullies, you need a new group. Alternatively, you need a larger group that is willing to side with you. Bullying within a group is only effective when the bully has a social advantage. When the bully loses this social advantage due to an opposing social group, not only are the insults dulled, but the bully is much less likely to continue. You really-

GOD ****ING DAMN IT THE ONLY TIME MY PHONE EVER RINGS IS BECAUSE OF SOME STUPID WRONG NUMBER WHAT THE ****

- Anyway, you really need to rely on social inertia in order to overcome this, since that's what its being powered by. If, however, you are in a classroom situation where there is no way to avoid a bad group, then you really have to complain to the teacher. If your school isn't terrible, the teachers should be doing something about this.

  

Offline Mars

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 I lived in a combination of this and having the crap beat out of me starting in Middle School. Literally the only thing you can do is meet some real friends (and take up Krav Maga if you have the other problem.)

Best way of doing that is by not showing them they bug you. Just get some real friends.

 

Offline karajorma

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Set up a fake woman's account on Facebook or the like. Get naked pics of him. Threaten to post them if he doesn't stop.

End of problem. :p
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Offline Nuke

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the only way to deal with an asshole is by being an even bigger asshole. you need to get under his skin, really piss him off and make him look like a douche in front of his peers.
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Offline Dilmah G

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Set up a fake woman's account on Facebook or the like. Get naked pics of him. Threaten to post them if he doesn't stop.

End of problem. :p
This is a brilliant idea.

 

Offline karajorma

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Actually, no need for naked pictures. Just get him to admit something sexually weird. :p

Less issues that way since he's probably under 18. :p
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Offline Pred the Penguin

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I can definitely understand your position, I've been on both sides, cause I'm the sarcastic one of my group, but I know when to let up.

I can see multiple options, you'll have to see which one works best:

1. Talk to the jerk in question, try to make him understand when and why you might be uncomfortable. If he still has any sentimentality left in him, he might listen.

2. Be the bigger asshole. I can easily see this backfire, you might distance yourself from others, or you might just fail at being the bigger asshole.

3. Confront him. This is the one I personally took. One time I just totally lost it during class, no one ever picked on me again. I'm not sure if you'll get into trouble for conflict though. (I have a few anger management issues btw.)

4. Leave the group. You said that it was mandatory to be in the group, so this might only work as a last resort. (I hate taking sides so I go with small groups.)

The best advice I can give you though, is do what you think is best. Even what you're doing now, just talking to like-minded friends, I find can help immensely. Humans are social beings after all.

Best of luck to you and just try not to get in trouble.

 

Offline Qent

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Learn martial arts. Not to fight mind you, just to exude competence and self-confidence. Not to mention getting better friends in the process.

 

Offline Mika

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sigtau and Pred, I went through the same **** as you are experiencing now. After 9 years of basic school, I was able to get rid of most of my earlier classmates in the college, and that made a huge difference. Also, in University I experienced something what I could call a fresh start in the life, it was almost like rebirth - and it turned out to be much better this time. The earlier years in the basic school weren't easy, especially after I was wrestling for fun with a new classmate (he even asked if we could) and teacher interrupted since she thought we were doing it seriously. I was seven years old and after hearing about this, my father pretty much told that if he ever hears of me wrestling again, he will beat the crap out of me so that next time I'll remember not to do that. So I was pretty much rendered physically harmless, and easy to pick. It never went to physical picking, but constant mental stuff. I do recall some easier times since I grew fast when I was young, I was the largest guy in the class at one point, but different people grow at different rates. During that time even the older students left me alone. But when the others caught up, it started again.

It didn't make things easier when the only way to get money from my parents was to do well in the tests - and I regularly did much to the dismay of others. At moments I thought I must be somehow defective since whatever I did with them never made things better. People are stupid at that age and I never saw the point of their doings, and guess it was that I didn't support them, or something. The end result was that when I was on the last class in the basic school, the younger pupils were just doing the same. It ended when a person about three quarters of my height and probably half of my mass started pushing me for no reason. At that point I simply had enough. I threw him through a window, and was about to break his spine when I realized what I was about to do - the incident was over in less than two seconds and happened instinctively from my part. After that, they never tried again doing anything physical with me. Though the **** talking never stopped until I got completely rid of them.

I had a couple of good friends during that time, I still see them, and it is pretty their presence which helped me a lot. And I'm willing to bet that the worst of the bullies never had, have or will have such friends. For me the number of friends doesn't matter, it is that they really are friends. Without knowing more about your situations, I cannot say much more. Nowadays all the idiots are very different persons with a much more reasonable behavior, it is just that I simply don't forget what they were younger. I note that nowadays it's me who is telling who we hire, and I find that the perception skills (either inborn or a result of that ****) helps a lot. And today it's me who is telling them what to do, not the other way around. Life is weird, isn't it? The effect of what happened in earlier years is that I don't tolerate that stuff any more - doing that would result in broken bones, likely not mine - it also made me relatively strong person too.

I would recommend Martial Arts with a good teacher for both of you, since it will help you to control yourselves. The thing with Martial Arts that you need to be vary about is that the teachers often try to make students more aggressive - in your case if I judge your personalities right you are the sort of persons whose aggressive behavior should not be fed any further. If you decide to take those classes, definitely tell the instructor about that so that he knows it beforehand - and don't tell about taking those classes to those who pick you. Let them found it out by themselves. Also when of age, be vary of the strong alcohol, that tends to take away your self control if drank too fast.
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Offline S-99

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the only way to deal with an asshole is by being an even bigger asshole. you need to get under his skin, really piss him off and make him look like a douche in front of his peers.
I second this. Chances are the person being an asshole to sigtau just isn't very smart. Which means they aren't very good at being an asshole. Do it better than they do it, be the superior asshole. You can do this without becoming like the person who ridicules you. Which is easy if the tactic is just to show the ridiculer for what he is in front of everybody. People like this really hate getting a taste of their own medicine. This is where a lot of my motivation to do better than others comes from. Reminds me of highschool too.

I had a very very very difficult senior year of highschool. I was running scared the whole time, i found out a lot of the people i thought were my friends weren't (which were the people wanting to cause me trouble or had no integrity), school staff were also focussed on making my life a living hell, other people in school were taking advantage of the fact they knew i was scared and would bother me about any issue that was out there on top of the one that started it, and so more people spread rumors. I did not a single thing to deserve this. This involved other dumb ****ers spreading simple rumors about me that were not true, were about a serious serious matter they didn't understand and never thought about the consequences of their actions for other people such as me (i would say like 90% of young people don't think).

When i got tired of just trying to ignore stuff everyday after 4 months. I really couldn't help myself doing some ballsy things to prove that i will be a superior asshole, that i am a better person, and to be left alone since i didn't do anything to deserve this treatment by people. People giving me trouble would become ultimately humiliated and left me alone forever even to this day. I wouldn't give the ridiculer the choice of stopping. I'd lead them on. I would show them off for what that person was and wanted, and i rubbed it in. If the person ridiculing me all year was dumb and wanted something dumb, everyone watching the confrontation not only found out that person was dumb but that they were really really really ****ing dumb. I was very stressed when i was a senior. That school staff can go **** themselves. I haven't been bothered since.

Don't deal in rumors, understand the logic that plenty of times the devil forces you to be their dance partner, ignoration only works for little kids (in the adult world...you're still there to be made fun of, and they don't care if you act like they exist or not), and take care of your problems directly and clearly with the source. I believe in turning the other cheek and being a kind person and rarely getting angry just as much as the next person, but you also got to take care of things yourself.
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Offline sigtau

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I second this. Chances are the person being an asshole to sigtau just isn't very smart. Which means they aren't very good at being an asshole.

This guy has a 4.2 GPA, a 21 ACT score and an SAT score ranging close to the 2000s.

Do it better than they do it, be the superior asshole. You can do this without becoming like the person who ridicules you. Which is easy if the tactic is just to show the ridiculer for what he is in front of everybody. People like this really hate getting a taste of their own medicine. This is where a lot of my motivation to do better than others comes from. Reminds me of highschool too.

Remember that not only do we have to tackle his ego, but the collective defense of the rest of the group in his favor.

I had a very very very difficult senior year of highschool. I was running scared the whole time, i found out a lot of the people i thought were my friends weren't (which were the people wanting to cause me trouble or had no integrity), school staff were also focussed on making my life a living hell, other people in school were taking advantage of the fact they knew i was scared and would bother me about any issue that was out there on top of the one that started it, and so more people spread rumors. I did not a single thing to deserve this. This involved other dumb ****ers spreading simple rumors about me that were not true, were about a serious serious matter they didn't understand and never thought about the consequences of their actions for other people such as me (i would say like 90% of young people don't think).

Been in that situation, except it was earlier on in gradeschool.  It's the far-back reason I am in my current social situation on multiple fronts (not just this one).

When i got tired of just trying to ignore stuff everyday after 4 months. I really couldn't help myself doing some ballsy things to prove that i will be a superior asshole, that i am a better person, and to be left alone since i didn't do anything to deserve this treatment by people. People giving me trouble would become ultimately humiliated and left me alone forever even to this day. I wouldn't give the ridiculer the choice of stopping. I'd lead them on. I would show them off for what that person was and wanted, and i rubbed it in. If the person ridiculing me all year was dumb and wanted something dumb, everyone watching the confrontation not only found out that person was dumb but that they were really really really ****ing dumb. I was very stressed when i was a senior. That school staff can go **** themselves. I haven't been bothered since.

More power to you.  Unfortunately, I am in a divorced family with few close friends and little resources to help me out in this situation.  I simply can't afford to just cut myself off from the world for a four month span.

Don't deal in rumors, understand the logic that plenty of times the devil forces you to be their dance partner, ignoration only works for little kids (in the adult world...you're still there to be made fun of, and they don't care if you act like they exist or not), and take care of your problems directly and clearly with the source. I believe in turning the other cheek and being a kind person and rarely getting angry just as much as the next person, but you also got to take care of things yourself.

I support this.  I'm going to kindly tell him to **** off one last time before I take action.
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Offline General Battuta

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