[Nuclear1]

more egg on ISI's face regarding this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13268517

What?  Bin Laden was living in the suburbs by the military academy?!

lol pakistani intel #hrrrdrrr

[Grizzly]

Heh. Two people from Brabant in the Netherlands went to the police to accuse the US of murder. They have been redericted to the International Court.

[karajorma]

I say we drop them off in Afghanistan and tell them to find the new Al-Quada boss themselves then.

[Nuke]

Even the "Top Secret Hole" route would be stupid. The only value bin Laden has is as a figurehead, I sort of doubt that he has much access to al qaeda's operations.

i could imagine a situation where we captured him and just told everyone he was dead, while we cut him up some and milked him for info on his little organization. if we were torturing him right now, we certainly wouldnt want to tell the world about it. i was told we had a body and i was told he was buried at sea, but ive yet to see proof of either event. so excuse me if i take "hes dead, we fed his corpse to sharks" with a grain of salt. theres not a doubt in my mind that hes out of the picture, its just the details of this are too sketchy to believe at the moment.

[JCDNWarrior]

Sure looks like Osama being found in Pakistan is a good way to blame Pakistan of supporting terrorists though - What with the drone attacks in Pakistan the past years. Good way to retroactively talk bombing civilians acceptable - "We've been trying to hit Osama!".  Anyhow, new wars are always hyped up in the news by any means neccesary. Still, this is dangerous. If the USA/Nato attacks Pakistan, you can imagine that Iran and Saudi Arabia (which feels they're being double-crossed by the West) and everything else... I'm curious what we'll see, what event, true or false-flag, will trigger a large war between NATO/USA and the Middle East. Combine that with the warnings of terrorists counter-striking the USA or Europe...

But that's my own opinion, and probably crazy idea. Just a thought to remember if such a crazy event(s) would occur.

[Luis Dias]

Get your hopes down, there will never be a war between NATO and pakistan. Pakistan is a nuclear power.

[JCDNWarrior]

Sure hope you're right (You probably are), Luis. I wouldn't like the consequences of that. Anyhow, let's hope things calm down for a change.

[Nuke]

oooh goodie! potential nuclear war! yay!

[Thaeris]

LOL Pakistan.

It's true - having nukes gives you a great deterrant, but the ultimate truth is NATO has a vastly greater arsenal under its belt than Pakistan. If they opted to use WMDs, the overwhelming probability exists that within hours of doing so, that nation would exist as a crater. Well, what would be left of it, anyway.

[General Battuta]

LOL Pakistan.

It's true - having nukes gives you a great deterrant, but the ultimate truth is NATO has a vastly greater arsenal under its belt than Pakistan. If they opted to use WMDs, the overwhelming probability exists that within hours of doing so, that nation would exist as a crater. Well, what would be left of it, anyway.

That's why it's called mutual deterrence, brosephine.

[Nuke]

mad only works when everyone has enough nukes to act as a doomsday device. nuclear arsenals are only useful against countries with less nukes than you. so making any kind of aggressive advance on us or any other nuclear machine would be very hazardous to your health.

problem is what if terrorists have nukes, and they manage to hit you with one? then who do you counter-nuke?

[NGTM-1R]

That's why it's called mutual deterrence, brosephine.

Mutual deterrence really only works if one side is incapable of a preemptive knockout. This is not the case for Pakistan vs. an entity like NATO.

Regardless, Pakistan is too conveniently located to invade.

[General Battuta]

That's why it's called mutual deterrence, brosephine.

Mutual deterrence really only works if one side is incapable of a preemptive knockout. This is not the case for Pakistan vs. an entity like NATO.

Regardless, Pakistan is too conveniently located to invade.

I should probably have said MAInjury. Pakistan is capable of a spasm that would deal geopolitically unacceptable damage, which is good enough for the modern world climate.

[headdie]

That's why it's called mutual deterrence, brosephine.

Mutual deterrence really only works if one side is incapable of a preemptive knockout. This is not the case for Pakistan vs. an entity like NATO.

Regardless, Pakistan is too conveniently located to invade.

Ferry a few troops into Afghanistan and you have a nice launch pad for a ground/air war, and i'm sure if you let the Indians in on the plan they will keep the Pakistani armed forces busy in the east, especially if you let them have some of the border territories when it is all finished

edit

on a lighter note http://beta.uk.news.yahoo.com/man-shaves-for-the-first-time-since-9-11.html

[JCDNWarrior]

Nonetheless it's not about who would win such a war - Though I'm more, concerned about 'terrorists with nukes' - But basically a world war 3. Pakistan is rather conveniently located as said above, and with the earlier invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, the Georgia situation.. I'm curious if such could spawn at least another cold war, but not just between the USA and Russia.

Sure hope no insane idiot decides a nuke would be a good idea to strike back/start a war. We got enough nuclear radiation for the coming thousands of years.

Above's chances are very low nonetheless, but if the warnings about terrorists striking back would be true, it becomes something in the cards.

[Mustang19]

Bin Laden chills in mansion for six years, evades world intelligence community.

ABBOTTABAD, Pakistan – When a woman involved in a polio vaccine drive turned up at Osama bin Laden's hideaway, she remarked to the men behind the high walls about the expensive SUVs parked inside. The men took the vaccine, apparently to administer to the 23 children at the compound, and told her to go away.

Bin Laden found it safe enough to stay for up to six years, according to U.S. officials, a stunning length of time to remain in one place right under the noses of a U.S.-funded army which had ostensibly been trying to track him down. Most intelligence assessments believed him to be along the Afghan-Pakistan border, perhaps in a cave.

Construction of the three-story house began about seven years ago. Aside from its size, the house doesn't stand out from the others in the neighborhood, where residents tend to be very religious and jealous of their privacy. The walls are mold-stained, there are trees in the garden and the windows are hidden.

Those who live nearby said the people in bin Laden's compound rarely strayed outside. Most were unaware that foreigners — bin Laden and his family are Arabs — were living there.

Khurshid Bibi, in her 70s, said one man living in the compound had given her a lift to the market in the rain. She said her grandchildren played with the kids in the house and that the adults there gave them rabbits as a gift.

 

[JCDNWarrior]

Apparently they knew multiple times where Bin Laden was, but let him go. Or it could've been a false positive in the chase for a guy that's been like a phantom, but it's still strange. Would have to research for specifics though - Mostly pointing out that there may be more provable to it all. Planting a seed and all.

[Nuke]

its sad that all the information about the operation has come from the pakistan government and not from our own.

[NGTM-1R]

its sad that all the information about the operation has come from the pakistan government and not from our own.

You haven't been watching the news very well. But then, you wouldn't.

[KewlToyZ]

My $0.02 it doesn't add up with the way it was handled so far.
But overall the issue is a clu$+3r4uk of politics to manage regardless.
Pakistan really doesn't have a leg to stand on in terms of harboring the most wanted terrorist in the world.
They pretty much can't deny knowledge of his presence. The place is too small and the location too obvious.
The people knew he was there if this is true at all no one with a brain cell can deny the obvious futility of them even bothering to protest.
Burial at sea as a political move is an intelligent one.
But the management of this affair is letting conspiracy theorists have 10x the leg room necessary so far.
Osama is gonna be the Elvis of the middle east.