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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Anubis has an awesome turning rate. They're much, much worse than Lokis in FSPort with improved AI.
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Offline Destiny

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
The Anubis actually looks more like a GTEP Hermes with wings and guns.

 

Offline Marcov

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Revised edition:

If fighting capital ships and fighters,

Erinyes > Ares > Myrmidon > Herc II (okay, I never noticed it had better HP) > Herc I > Perseus > Ulysses (crappy secondary size, being very maneuverable isn't really appealing to me as I am used to WWI dogfighting) = Loki.

Fighting capital ships only,

Ares > Erinyes > Myrmidon > Herc II > Herc I > Perseus > Ulysses = Loki

Fighting fighters only,

Erinyes > Myrmidon > Perseus > Herc II > Herc I > Ares (too damn slow) > Ulysses = Loki

I hate fighters with low secondary capacity, and Support ships are only effective if you manage to run away from battle, and not getting swarmed by Lokis/Dragons to death.

If I were given the chance to arm Kaysers, the Terran Mara, hands down. Huge shields and armor, primaries never run out of energy, and is fast = Utterly Badass.

BOMBERS

Sekhmet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything. As much bombs as an Ursa, doesn't suffer from terrible speed and maneuverability, has decent primary firepower, and is scarier than the Nahema (with those alien-green windows of doom), her evil twin sister.

Boanerges < Everything. Poor primaries, just ordinary load of secondaries, is horribly slow. I don't even know why they made it.
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Offline Kolgena

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Taking an eri and putting a subach(especially 2, why waste a bank on an identical weapon, in any fighter? ever? EVER?) in it is terribad.
Never mind should the subach not be used, but I imagine you could get more DPS out of a single 2 gun bank kayser slot than a lolbach..

Eris should be armed with PromS/Kayser combos unless maxim is required, anything else is a waste of potential, and if you're one of those people who just holds down fire and hopes things end up in your cross hairs, do not even try to justify having an opinion :P

Eri -> Persie -> Ares -> Herc MK1 -> Apollo

I almost always pair identical primaries together, unless they are in 4:2, like the Myrmidon. Linking identical banks would give me higher dps, and guarantee that the bolt speeds are identical. I hate it when the lead indicator is only for one of the guns, so you end up wasting energy for no hits on one bank at medium range or farther. Unlinking guns works too, but then I'm left with 2 pew pews on most setups.

(speaking of which, I need to go memorize which bolts travel at the same speeds and would make compatible link partners)


Interesting how many people like the myrmidon. Aside from the fact that it carries helios, a lot of people say it's a sucky fighter.

I wouldn't mind it, actually, if not for its huge profile.

 

Offline Marcov

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
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I hate it when the lead indicator is only for one of the guns, so you end up wasting energy for no hits on one bank at medium range or farther.

Really? This is true?! If it is, I'm not going to use different primaries if I could help it.

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Interesting how many people like the myrmidon. Aside from the fact that it carries helios, a lot of people say it's a sucky fighter.

It's generally because it has a decent firepower, large secondary bank capacity, and average speed. Nothing's really wrong with it, except, perhaps, for the profile (which I don't actually notice usually; do the enemy AI have a better chance of hitting you this way?).
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

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Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

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Offline Kolgena

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Do you play on insane? If you do, AI will have 100% accuracy with lasers onto your lead indicator. That means that the only way to not get hit is to be constantly accelerating somehow, either by changing speed or turning. With the myrmidon's large profile (and poor HP for its size), you need to move a lot more to get your ship out of the line of fire compared to something tiny like a thoth.

Also, profile matters when compared to the hard points on your pursuing fighter. If they have spread out weapons, they're unlikely to have all their bolts hit when the area/profile to hit is smaller.

As for bolt speeds, it's true. Link something slow like a subach to a morning star. You'll notice that your lead indicator will be much closer to the target, and is actually that of the morning star. If you chain the two, your subachs will usually miss.

 
Re: favourite canon fighters.
I almost always pair identical primaries together, unless they are in 4:2, like the Myrmidon. Linking identical banks would give me higher dps, and guarantee that the bolt speeds are identical. I hate it when the lead indicator is only for one of the guns, so you end up wasting energy for no hits on one bank at medium range or farther. Unlinking guns works too, but then I'm left with 2 pew pews on most setups.

(speaking of which, I need to go memorize which bolts travel at the same speeds and would make compatible link partners)


Interesting how many people like the myrmidon. Aside from the fact that it carries helios, a lot of people say it's a sucky fighter.

I wouldn't mind it, actually, if not for its huge profile.

Pairing primaries and linking them does not increase your DPS (though it does up your burst DPS which (can be important but is more effective using Prom S AND Kayser at any real dogfight range), supposing you're using Prom S or Kayser isn't terrible but any other weapon combination is an utter waste of time and space)

A few things to note;
The lead indicator being a guide for one weapon doesn't make any difference at dogfight range;
Note for note;
The higher skill level a pilot, the closer the dogfight range will be.
Note for note for note;
You take an Eri, Prom S, Kayser, and Tempest, fire them all at the same time, and basically two shot anything at superduper close range. - You can oneshot some stuff with weaker shields.

There is no other combo. Not for vs AI standard set up, unless you're doing tactical crap (-> Ares/MK2, Maxim, Kayser/PromS, Tempest, Trebuche).

TvT dogfighting at higher skill levels are done in light fighters and is a different kettle of fish.

Linking the same primary weapon with itself does not increase DPS, only burst, and, while it is better than having a singular one because burst > DPS - it's still a waste of space, you would be better off using another gun entirely, for tactical reasons, or increased overall damage.

If you are shooting things at LONG (read, anything over 500-600) range for any period of time you can swap to a single bank if it makes you feel any better, but it's not like it's important then anyway.

Profile is insanely important, many people ignore the fact that fighters (especially the frigging myrm) are almost as big as freighters in profile sometimes!
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Offline Marcov

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Playing on Insane actually strips out all the fun and makes you work on literally survival mode. You'll need to chose the finest fighter around, like the Erinyes, and arm it with (I agree to QD) something like Kaysers and Prom S's, or dual Prom S's (the Kayser depletes brutally fast especially when on insane, on something like the Eri which has 8 guns).

It's preferable to have Tempests, as the Insane AI can usually shrug off heat-seeking/aspect seeking missiles. Don't ever use the Infyrno or Piranha, they'll get you killed faster than your insane enemies. Crappy speed, unreliable accuracy. Even if you're an expert, still, it won't be effective against things like the Dragon. Plus the fact that it occupies a huge load of secondary capacity.
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline Qent

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Pairing primaries and linking them does not increase your DPS
It does, on paper at least. Two linked banks only reduces ROF to 2/3; three linked banks reduces it to 1/2. Whether the shots hit is another matter.

 
Re: favourite canon fighters.
Yeay for 1.33 DPS gain :P
Double Subach has been validated for all!

On a more serious note;

Burst damage means when you have no choice but to pair something (read; the early main campaign missions where you're stuck with subach or lolR that you may as well use double subach).
Otherwise though, the combo of energy to damage with practicality is the best in the game, you wont beat prom s + kayser for dogfighting.

Double Kayser or Double Prom S both have comparative drawbacks (either too much direct energy drain or not /really/ enough shield damage vs heavier/multiple enemies and therefore requiring more shots, and more energy anyway :p).
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I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
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Offline Marcov

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Double Kayser or Double Prom S both have comparative drawbacks (either too much direct energy drain or not /really/ enough shield damage vs heavier/multiple enemies and therefore requiring more shots, and more energy anyway ).

Whatever is on an Erinyes is already utterly fatal, since it will always have eight of them.

The Prometheus S is already a deadly weapon, and is an annihilator in the hands of an Erinyes.  Even Seraphims will fall like flies if you add the Tempests to that.
With the rapid increase of FS fan-made campaigns, we're giving the GTVA a harder time with more violence and genocide.

~FreeSpace: The Battle of Endor (voice dub)~
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9K9-Y1JBTE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQanXDRAXM
Part 3/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBLKYt_oG0

Old (original) videos:
Part 1/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ygskaoUtE
Part 2/4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uoPTksBlI

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Whatever is on an Erinyes is already utterly fatal, since it will always have eight of them.
*** MatthTheGeek loads 8 Lampreys on Marcov's Erinyes... ***

Seriously, you need to stop making argument as if Easy was the reality. It's not. Insane is the only difficulty where you don't get magical damage resistance, energy recharges and where your enemies aren't just flying targets (well, they still are with retail AI, but you get my point).

The Ery is just too slow and doesn't have the energy output to be the ultimate fighter in real, Insane gameplay. It's a good fighters, but like most of the good fighters in FS, it has pros and cons, which are more or less strong depending on your own style of flight.
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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Best fighters:

1. Terran Mara
2. Erinyes
3. Horus

Best bombers:

1. Sekhmet
2. Artemis and Artemis D.H.
3. Amun

Worst fighters:

1. Ares
2. Serapis
3. Anubis

Worst bombers:

1. Boanerges
2. Osiris
3. Athena
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Offline Snail

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
The Artemis is pants

 

Offline Droid803

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
How the hell is the Athena in "worst bomber"?
First of all, tt's not a bomber. The designation lies.
Its an assault fighter, and a better one than the Herc 1 at that.
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Offline Snail

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
If it had better weapons compatibility.

 
Re: favourite canon fighters.
The Athena is the light bomber of FS1...

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/GTB_Athena
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Offline Snail

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
If the Athena could carry stuff like Hornets and Prometheus, it would be better than the Herc.

 

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
No it isn't.
As I said, the designation (and tech description) blatantly lies. It's not the first time :v: has done it.
It doesn't carry any bombs whatsoever. Ergo, it isn't a bomber.

Wait. Ow. I didn't know its compatibility sucked that bad. O_o
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Offline Snail

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Re: favourite canon fighters.
Well it depends what your definition of bomber is. It can do surgical strikes.