[Luis Dias]

I see no resemblance, in shape or background story.

[Flipside]

It's odd, because when Freespace 1 came out, people were saying exactly the same thing about the similarity between Shivans and Shadows, since B5 was in around its third or fourth season by that stage

[Luis Dias]

Yeah sure, but at least Volition kept their hands away from this Tau **** and avoided the creation of a benign super species to "compensate" the shivans, and maintain Freespace as noir as they possibly could.


....and then we had BP to **** it all up

[Snail]

If you think the Vishnans are benign then you are super dumb like Samuel Bei.

We should totally take it to those mother****ers. Meson Bomb their **** straight into the next universe.

[Luis Dias]

Benign was a wrong word, you're right. Better say "like a Vorlon".

[Commander Zane]

Except that Shivans are not a race of ships nor do they abduct people for the utilization of resources.

[Luis Dias]

Do you deny the motivational?

Or what about the red beams of death manifesting themselves out of the peak of their claws, shredding their opponents' ships to smithereens?

Or what about the invincible shields the reapers have, exactly not unlike a certain shivan juggernaught?

Or what about the sheer invincible armada of shivan/reaper juggernaughts, driving towards certain human doom?

Listen to this monologue and try not to remember Mass Effect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf0yfv2fHyw&feature=related

[Commander Zane]

Shivan ships don't fire molten metal.
Shivan ships don't hibernate where they're vulnerable.
Unless Reapers are making stars explode, there's still little to no corrilation.

[Luis Dias]

Shivan ships don't fire molten metal.

How do you really know this? I mean, canon-wise.

Shivan ships don't hibernate where they're vulnerable.

You cannot possibly know this as well.

Unless Reapers are making stars explode, there's still little to no corrilation.

I'll have your head when ME3 arrives and we do indeed see them supernovaeing a star.

[Snail]

They use a magnetic bottle to direct superheated plasma at their target or something. Vishnans use gravitationally strips of altered spacetime (!?!?!?)

[Commander Zane]

Shivan ships don't fire molten metal.

How do you really know this? I mean, canon-wise.
Most threads discussing it usually decide if going from mission dialogue at the very least photon beams are used, it's likely there just to be there, but researching and reverse-engineering the weapons from the Lucifer and finding out that they're metal-slinging streamers, I don't find it to be likely.

Shivan ships don't hibernate where they're vulnerable.

You cannot possibly know this as well.
The Lucifer wasn't sleeping in Subspace when it was trying to enter Sol, even then it's never said that they hibernate, and it doesn't seem that they would.

Unless Reapers are making stars explode, there's still little to no corrilation.

I'll have your head when ME3 arrives and we do indeed see them supernovaeing a star.
If that does happen I'll probably take it off myself.

**** trying to separate the quotes.

[NGTM-1R]

They use a magnetic bottle to direct superheated plasma at their target or something.

I doubt they're actually plasma streamers simply because otherwise our electronics should flip out every time we take AAA beam hit.

[Snail]

In BP canon anyway, they're relativistic plasma weapons which use a magnetic bottle to guide the beam to its target.

[Luis Dias]

Your second point is lame, Zane. The Lucifer was not sleeping in the sol node because it was in its job schedule. You don't sleep while working, you lazy!

[Commander Zane]

Your second point is lame, Zane. The Lucifer was not sleeping in the sol node because it was in its job schedule. You don't sleep while working, you lazy!

No, not really, I just said that the Lucifer wasn't sleeping. Reapers are vulnerable while hibernating, and hide where they will not be found because of this. The Lucifer on the other hand was vulnerable doing something entirely different, wide awake and ready to make humanity miserable.

[Luis Dias]

You'll see that we will destroy the reapers while mass effecting between nodes. We just haven't seen it before because we hadn't the chance.

[Kosh]

They use a magnetic bottle to direct superheated plasma at their target or something.

I doubt they're actually plasma streamers simply because otherwise our electronics should flip out every time we take AAA beam hit.

That depends on how heavily shielded they are. Since plasma based weapons (blob turrets) were the staple of FS ships for quite a while this should be taken into account.

[NGTM-1R]

That depends on how heavily shielded they are. Since plasma based weapons (blob turrets) were the staple of FS ships for quite a while this should be taken into account.

Blobs are self-contained plasma weapons, which may actually be possible, but projecting an incredibly long magnetic field out into space to contain a thin stream of high-energy plasma would have effects regardless of how heavily shielded your electronics are. For starters the shielding necessary to protect your electronics wouldn't be all that much less than that to protect you from the plasma. Then you get induction in any metallic object the field comes in contact with as it extends, and rather impressively at these power levels.

As an addendum, notes from FS1 and FS2 about effective anti-shield weapons suggest that kind of focused magnetics would be absolutely devastating to shields. Yes, beams pass through, and that might happen, but there should also probably be some serious loss of power.

[Ravenholme]

Except that Shivans are not a race of ships nor do they abduct people for the utilization of resources.

Volition Canon had them being Von Neumann-esque machines, albeit with more intelligence.

That is almost exactly what the Reapers are, when you get around the bizarre, nonsensical crap added in ME2.

In BP canon anyway, they're relativistic plasma weapons which use a magnetic bottle to guide the beam to its target.

Oh hey, does someone on the bp team read David Weber and Steve White's "Starfire" series? Because that's exactly what the Bug plasma beams in it are.

[Luis Dias]

Ahem. We are all Von Neumann esque machines