[mjn.mixael]

SNIP

boy, that was INSIDE? hehe

That's what she said.

[Marcov]

Besides. Look at the simple COCKPIT size of an Apollo. That's huge. No where near a 100 of those can fit in an Elysium, and not only does an Elysium have to fit sub systems of all threads, but the turret as well as actual living quarters, corridors, a bridge, etc. I mean, let's get serious, the people aren't packed in there like sardines.

Why are you even comparing the Apollo with the Elysium? As I said, the Apollo is a fighter, not a transport. The Elysium doesn't carry a large amount of guns, missiles, have shields, and have a powerful engine. It's a transport ship, not a fighter.

Fighters do indeed require a lot of area for a big reactor due to the need for supplying several lasers. And secondary banks! It has to carry hundreds of Tempests! And a big engine, which can take a fighter to around 100 m/s on afterburners. The Elysium doesn't have that.

Engines for air/spacecraft are larger and more complex than a bus's engine.

Okay, fine. Take for an example, a Boeing 747; the fuselage is around 70 meters, and carries 366 individuals. The width is only 6 meters! The Elysium is 39 by 30 meters! (this gives you an idea that the Elysium doesn't carry 8 people at all!)

So, how the heck can a 747 carry 366 people? Wait, oh no, the F-22 Raptor carries only one pilot! Why is that?!

Because, it's a fighter. The 747 is a transport. The Apollo is a fighter. The Elysium is a transport.

[General Battuta]

Besides. Look at the simple COCKPIT size of an Apollo. That's huge. No where near a 100 of those can fit in an Elysium, and not only does an Elysium have to fit sub systems of all threads, but the turret as well as actual living quarters, corridors, a bridge, etc. I mean, let's get serious, the people aren't packed in there like sardines.

Why are you even comparing the Apollo with the Elysium? As I said, the Apollo is a fighter, not a transport. The Elysium doesn't carry a large amount of guns, missiles, have shields, and have a powerful engine. It's a transport ship, not a fighter.

He's talking about the cockpit bro, not the entire Apollo

(the comparison still doesn't work though)

[Commander Zane]

Okay, fine. Take for an example, a Boeing 747; the fuselage is around 70 meters, and carries 366 individuals. The width is only 6 meters! The Elysium is 39 by 30 meters! (this gives you an idea that the Elysium doesn't carry 8 people at all!)

There's still internal space dedicated to housing the engines, unlike a 747 which has its four engines mounted externally via the underside of the wings. Now of the designers of the Elysium pulled a Star Trek and had nacelles mounted on struts that protrude from the hull, then there'd be more space to fit other things into it. I'm not saying it can only hold eight people, but the design has limiting factors that would otherwise allow it to ship even more people around.

[Hades]

Why are you even comparing the Apollo with the Elysium? As I said, the Apollo is a fighter, not a transport. The Elysium doesn't carry a large amount of guns, missiles, have shields, and have a powerful engine. It's a transport ship, not a fighter.

Fighters do indeed require a lot of area for a big reactor due to the need for supplying several lasers. And secondary banks! It has to carry hundreds of Tempests! And a big engine, which can take a fighter to around 100 m/s on afterburners. The Elysium doesn't have that.

Perhaps not, but the Elysium has many more engines, around 16 total. Plus the turret. Plus armor. Plus subsystems. Plus stuff like sleeping quarters, kitchen area, etc. You're thinking about it in far too simple terms.

Okay, fine. Take for an example, a Boeing 747; the fuselage is around 70 meters, and carries 366 individuals. The width is only 6 meters! The Elysium is 39 by 30 meters! (this gives you an idea that the Elysium doesn't carry 8 people at all!)

So, how the heck can a 747 carry 366 people? Wait, oh no, the F-22 Raptor carries only one pilot! Why is that?!

Because, it's a fighter. The 747 is a transport. The Apollo is a fighter. The Elysium is a transport.

You can't use the Boeing as a comparison because they're two different things with much different technology. The 747 is only intended for short distances, comparatively, and has no beds/bunks to speak of, a minimal kitchen-like system at best, and what you can hardly call a toilet. While something a bit more for longer range travels, such as the Elysium assumably would, due to Space being much larger than the atmosphere of Earth, would need a lot nicer accommodations along with more 'houselike' accommodations.

tl;dr the Elysium is more like a flying house and the 747 is more like a flying bus.

[Marcov]

Yet I don't see how adding a kitchen, some bathrooms, and bedrooms can actually limit the crew count to merely a handful; my house, for instance, is merely about 10 X 7 X 3 meters, yet it can hold what...5 people, leisurely, and perhaps up to 8 if stretched.

As I said, it should be at least around 100 people. Take note that the Elysium is still larger than a 747; including those house kit systems, the Elysium should at least fit around 100.

[Mongoose]

Perhaps not, but the Elysium has many more engines, around 16 total. Plus the turret. Plus armor. Plus subsystems. Plus stuff like sleeping quarters, kitchen area, etc. You're thinking about it in far too simple terms.

Why would an Elysium need living quarters at all?  It's a simple people-mover, not an RV.  Considering that one can travel between systems in a matter of minutes, and presumably to just about anywhere within the target system within an hour, there's no real need for people to be spending much time on one.  The best you'll get is probably something akin to a tiny airplane bathroom stall.

[Drogoth]

Perhaps not, but the Elysium has many more engines, around 16 total. Plus the turret. Plus armor. Plus subsystems. Plus stuff like sleeping quarters, kitchen area, etc. You're thinking about it in far too simple terms.

Why would an Elysium need living quarters at all?  It's a simple people-mover, not an RV.  Considering that one can travel between systems in a matter of minutes, and presumably to just about anywhere within the target system within an hour, there's no real need for people to be spending much time on one.  The best you'll get is probably something akin to a tiny airplane bathroom stall.

The Elysium has to have some kind of permanent crew that operates it, they need quarters. I somehow doubt they keep these things on racks and when it comes time to run an Evac op they run out to all the transport captains and say 'have at er boys!'

[Black Wolf]

tl;dr the Elysium is more like a flying house and the 747 is more like a flying bus.

Evidence? The likelihood is that, much like a 747, the internals pf the Elysium are highly customizable. Some may have the features you describe, others maybe cattle-class type airliner lookalikes.

Incidentally:

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[NGTM-1R]

The Elysium has to have some kind of permanent crew that operates it, they need quarters. I somehow doubt they keep these things on racks and when it comes time to run an Evac op they run out to all the transport captains and say 'have at er boys!'

10' by 12' with bunks. Or less. Only a few cubic meters, not nearly significant enough to suck up as much space as you suggest.

I also challenge the assertion a ship that size has permanent crew. It's not designed for a mission that needs them. I doubt anyone spends longer than 12 hours aboard an Elysium on a trip.

[Mongoose]

Exactly...the impression I've always had from the Elysium's uses in canon missions was that it's pretty much always docked to a larger ship (presumably an Arcadia) when it's not actively transporting people.  Hell, in terms of size, you might even be able to slip one into an Orion's docking bay.  With the existence of subspace, I don't really see there being any need for a transport ship that's capable of cruising around for weeks, not when you can presumably get halfway across GTVA-controlled space in a day or less.  The only ships that would have to be self-supporting would be military vessels of the cruiser-and-larger type, since they would be deployed for months at a time.

Also, for the sake of being on-topic, I'm going with the TTC 1, since it's pretty much never used.  Poor thing needs some love.

[Colonol Dekker]

Does anyone remember the cutscene HALLFIGHT, you get a fair idea of scale from the GTA Marines using the airlock. Conversely though that scales down an Orion bah....worth a shot.

[Hades]

Exactly...the impression I've always had from the Elysium's uses in canon missions was that it's pretty much always docked to a larger ship (presumably an Arcadia) when it's not actively transporting people.  Hell, in terms of size, you might even be able to slip one into an Orion's docking bay.  With the existence of subspace, I don't really see there being any need for a transport ship that's capable of cruising around for weeks, not when you can presumably get halfway across GTVA-controlled space in a day or less.  The only ships that would have to be self-supporting would be military vessels of the cruiser-and-larger type, since they would be deployed for months at a time.

Also, for the sake of being on-topic, I'm going with the TTC 1, since it's pretty much never used.  Poor thing needs some love.

I was looking at the ship from the civilian-use perspective since I believe the Elysium is used by civilians as well, and Marcov used a 747 as an example.

[Marcov]

Indeed, the Elysium is for civilians.

But again, it isn't a luxury yacht flown by an important GTVA official or some noble merchant. It's just a passenger ship.

Also, for the sake of being on-topic, I'm going with the TTC 1, since it's pretty much never used.  Poor thing needs some love.

DERELICT MINESAH (if I recall correctly)!

[Qent]

Incidentally:

Heavy assault cargo containers:

[Destiny]

ALPHA TWO IS DOWN!
THE MISSION HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET!



(should really HTL Deus Ex Machina)

[Mongoose]

I was looking at the ship from the civilian-use perspective since I believe the Elysium is used by civilians as well, and Marcov used a 747 as an example.

But again, that shouldn't really matter, since civilian transports are presumably going to be traveling from Arcadia to Arcadia (or maybe planetside, if you can land the thing on one).  With subspace drives being what they are, after you arrive at the target system, it's just a quick intrasystem jump to your destination.  Unless you're planning on flat-out living on an Elysium, I can't see why it would need all the comforts of home.

[Hades]

I was looking at the ship from the civilian-use perspective since I believe the Elysium is used by civilians as well, and Marcov used a 747 as an example.

But again, that shouldn't really matter, since civilian transports are presumably going to be traveling from Arcadia to Arcadia (or maybe planetside, if you can land the thing on one).  With subspace drives being what they are, after you arrive at the target system, it's just a quick intrasystem jump to your destination.  Unless you're planning on flat-out living on an Elysium, I can't see why it would need all the comforts of home.

Subspace hasn't really been fleshed out well enough for us to be making definitive statements on how long it takes to move through it. I imagine distance would definitely have an impact on how long it takes to move. Also, I really don't think Elysiums only move one system at a time, and even if, I imagine they'd be more like the Serenity and have some type of living quarters for the possible long-term treks through space.

[Snail]

Yeah if it only takes a couple minutes or hours to travel between star systems that takes away a lot of the atmosphere of the setting if you ask me.

[Destiny]

Until someone blows up your subspace drive.