[Redfang]

Originally posted by Razor
I allready mentioned all that. You should read all the posts before you posted that one.

 
I know you did, and I did read all posts in this thread. I just posted my views, even if they were same with you.
 
Edit: [offtopic]The Red Faction 2 has bad graphics, but that's what you should expect (it's for PS2 ). I guess it looks worse than original one (I haven't played, though), even if it's newer.
 
At least it looks much, much worse than todays games. And it's not coming out too soon.[/offtopic]

[NotDefault]

Originally posted by X-Files Addict
I doubt Interplay would sell the rights to a bunch of hackers, moddelers, and nerds (no offense to anyone, please don't throw things at me)

If we had the money for it, they would.  Why would they care who wanted it?  Of course, money is the key word.  I really have no idea what these things go for, but I'm pretty sure it'd be out of the price range of what we could muster.


As for a console FS3, I don't want a console-only FS3.  It could work for console, though, so it's nice to have that option open.  Console games aren't as specific anymore, AFAIK; I believe the XBox is similar to a PC in development enviroment (Microsoft made it, so did you think they'd make it incompatible with Windows?).


And I know FS3 has only like a 1% chance of happening.  It's nice to know it's actually possible at this point, though.

[Gloriano]

FS3 will not come in this life

[CP5670]

[offtopic]The Red Faction 2 has bad graphics, but that's what you should expect (it's for PS2  ). I guess it looks worse than original one (I haven't played, though), even if it's newer.

At least it looks much, much worse than todays games. And it's not coming out too soon.[/offtopic]

I was half-expecting that, considering that it is only being devloped for the PS2. I don't think that even the best-looking Xbox games can really stand up to stuff like UT 2003.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Razor
I
Consoles suck! If I remember, X Box has a CPU on 750 Mhz which is nothing compared to a high End PC.

 

Don't be daft;

a/ The P3 in the X-box is a altered version which has - IIRC - faster coppermine wiring than normal P3s (not sure, though)
b/ The X-box only runs a massively cut down version of windows, so it has much less multi-tasking overheads
c/ A 2GHz is no faster than a 1.5GHz P3 - the P4 has a 20 stage pipeline, the P3 a 10-15 stage IIRC.  What this means is that, once your pipleine goes over 16 stages, it has no beneficial impact on performance - in fact, peformance degrades dsue to flushing and stall cycles, so the clock speed rises with pb[no[/b] increase in performance.  This is partly why Intel have developed a 1.5GHz P3 for networking clients.

Hence, top-grade CPus give no real indication of true performance if you look at their MHz rating.
d/The X box has a massively powerful next-gun video card, based on GeForce 3-4+ technology.
e/ the X-box has much better memory access for the nforce GPU, because the memory controller ius located on the actual GPU - reducing latency for texture data, etc.....

Bottom line - you cannot compare the X-box with a Pc on stats - nor an X-box with a Ps2 or Gamecube for that matter - because it is designed and used in a totally different way.

Oh, and IMO the Gamecube is better.  More efficient and better designed.

[Redfang]

Originally posted by aldo_14
a/ The P3 in the X-box is a altered version which has - IIRC - faster coppermine wiring than normal P3s (not sure, though)
b/ The X-box only runs a massively cut down version of windows, so it has much less multi-tasking overheads

d/The X box has a massively powerful next-gun video card, based on GeForce 3-4+ technology.

 
A: I'm not sure, but I think it's slower version of normal P3, something between P3 and a Celeron, maybe.
B: That's true, and windows and background stuff indeed has a big performance hit.
D: It's a NV20 (core of the GF3 based cards) with added vertex shader. So it has two vertex shaders like GF4Ti, but it's not as advanced as GF4Ti - it doesn't have Accuview AA, and LMAII, and all that stuff.
 
So I agree with you. An X-Box indeed is powerful enough, but would you still want to play FS on console - no modding, no user-made mission, not enough controls - I wouldn't.

[Stargazer_2098]

One thing is pretty surtain; Interplay wont survive longer then mostly 2-5 years. The most logical strategy for them, will be to sell licenses and copyrights to the highets bidder in order to get back on their feet. And then, Volition and THQ can buy back the Freespace license at an affordable price.
Volition did say that if they ever got the chance of creating Freespace 3, they would do it. And now, with the fall of Interplay; that chance seems closer to reality then ever.


I gues we just have to wait and see the developments. The future always gives an answer, as an old saying goes...


Stargazer.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Redfang

 
A: I'm not sure, but I think it's slower version of normal P3, something between P3 and a Celeron, maybe.

Not sure myself...I worked on an architectural comparison of the Ps2 Vs Gamecube Vs X-box for Uni, and the info on exactly what the P3 used in the console is a bit sketchy... we foud it referred as both a modified Celeron and P3; (extract - our website's still private until it gets marked, IIRC)

There has been much debate as to whether the processor is a P-III or actually a Celeron. It does have a Coppermine core. It runs at 133MHz front side bus and has 128KB of L2 cache. All of the Celeron's that Intel makes nowadays are aparently identical to the Pentium 3, and they all use the Coppermine core. There is one major difference, the Celeron has 128KB of cache. Intel's 733MHz mobile Celeron chips all have a 133MHz front side bus and 128KB of L2 cache identical to that in the Xbox. The chip inside the Xbox is the equivalent to that of a Mobile Celeron (the mobile Celeron has 8 way associative cache).

So I agree with you. An X-Box indeed is powerful enough, but would you still want to play FS on console - no modding, no user-made mission, not enough controls - I wouldn't.

Damn right


Although I prefer console controllers to Pc - more user friendly for arcade games, and especially footie ones.

[beatspete]

Originally posted by aldo_14

I prefer console controllers to Pc - more user friendly for arcade games, and especially footie ones.

Good for simpler games, but i miss my mouse when i use a playstation, and I would never give up my MS sidewinder Force feed joystick for a force feed playstation controler which vibrates occasionally at the same frequency.

pete

[Unknown Target]

FS3 will not be for a console, DaveB said so himself. Besides, a game with as complex functions as FS2 (or 3) would simply be too much for a console controller to handle...Even the menu would overload one!:D
BTW, if you like console controllers, why don't you just buy one of those game-thingies, you know, the ones that look a controller, but they're for the PC?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by beatspete


Good for simpler games, but i miss my mouse when i use a playstation, and I would never give up my MS sidewinder Force feed joystick for a force feed playstation controler which vibrates occasionally at the same frequency.

pete

Ps2 controller is an utter abomination, though.....

Oh, and I do have a Pc gamepad, but its just the simplicity I want.... with a console it's just plug in and go - with my PC one I have to install a program which suppossedly sets the keybindings for any game (but doesn't),  and then I have to plug it into the serial port to play FIFA, because EA never programmed in USB support, plus it's analogue stick is a bit too slack, and the buttons are crap, and the shoulder pads are a little to hard to reah, and the coolie hat is just daft......  you get my drift.

console controllers are still better...god knows wht, but they are.

[Redfang]

Originally posted by aldo_14
console controllers are still better...god knows wht, but they are.

 

 
 
;)
 
But well, are they better even in the FPS games?
 
I think they're better in nothing... but that's my opinion.

[CP5670]

 
I think they're better in nothing... but that's my opinion.

I agree there.

[Kabal]

Xbox and Gamecube Controllers rock...

[Thor]

Well I think that the chances of us ever seeing FS3 depends on that other game that's mentioned on HLP, Freelancer.  If Freelancer, and the other similar games that are scheduled to be realesed, do well, then the likely hood of seeing FS3 increases.  Of course, this is also dependant on wheather THQ and V get the rights or not.  But if they do, and Freelancer sells lots, then I think that a third Freespace would be built.  being that its THQ, don't be surprised if they port it to a console, or the otherway around.  FS is easily played with a controller, I use a Logitec Wingman Extreme gamepad to play, only using the key board for a few things.  I also thought i read somewhere that the X-box was getting a key board.  I not sure about that.  there is also the chance that the consoles they make it for would be the next gen ones.  Realistically, it would take 2-3 years to make FS3.  That's after the release of Freelancer, so add another year ontop of that.  there is no way that it will be out for another 3-4 at the least!  That may affect it's chances for release, as who wants to build a game based on a 8 year old product.  But it could be done, and I for one am holding on to the hope we'll see it.  it may not be soon, but eventually It will get made.  I don't think that thw idea of the community buying it is a bad one.  Even if V doesn't want it, that way we can build it and release it ourselves.  Interplay might just reach that desperate point.  ANd even if it is never made, thats what Freespace Forever is for.

here is to the future of the FS Community  the finest in the world

Thor

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Thor
That may affect it's chances for release, as who wants to build a game based on a 8 year old product.  

ahem... Return to Castle Wolfenstein... ahem.

[Dan1]

I agree with Stunaep if Wolfenstein can be brougt back surely FS3 can... might not be as popular though

here's hopen:wink:

[Thor]

Good point.

[karajorma]

Who bumped this topic? Get me my flamethrower. It's topic bumper Grillin' time

[Unknown Target]

OH GOD NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought this kind of stuff was gone ages ago, nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

FS3 will most likely not be brought back. Wolfenstein was because it was very popular, and FS2 was not.