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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Strap 'em to the outside of the hull of GTVA ships and use them as armour.  :cool:


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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Ok then, that name is horrendous guys.
For me, a Latin-Spanish speaker... it's like a joke name, not sure how that plays for any other kind of Spanish.
And sorry for derailing the subject.

The name works perfectly well in English, which is the language that the character in question speaks.

Besides which, this story is set over three centuries in our future. I'm pretty sure that many of our names would have been utter nonsense in the late seventeenth century.

I'm not so sure about the Vasudans.
First off, they are a bit of a wildcard. They have their own mindset and have a few things in common with the UEF. There is always the possibility that they might sympatise a bit too much with them, if they enter the conflict. On top of that it puts them in a better position to find out the truth about the supposed betrayal by the UEF, and if that happens, the GTVA will have a really bad crisis on their hand.
Furthermore it sends the signal that the Terrans can't defeat the UEF on their own, which puts the whole "Only we can protect our species from the Shivans" thing in question. If they can't even defeat an enemy they called unfit to survive in the universe on their own, how are they supposed to save mankind from the destroyers?

Another aspect concerning GTVA strategy:  Norbert made a good point here.

How should the Vasudans be engaged by the GTVA Terrans?  Should the Vasudans be kept at a relative distance from the conflict so they don't find out about some of the stuff Steele did?  Or is there some way to get more Vasudan assistance in this war to bring it to a close?
The GTVA Terrans would be much better served to bring more of their own ships into Sol and have the Vasudans pick up the slack in Shivan deterrence than to bring an equivalent number of Vasudan ships into the war directly. The Vasudans wouldn't like filling in for the diverted Terran fleets, but they'd like going to war even less. Plus, as mentioned before, there are reasons for the Vasudans to sympathize with the UEF. If that doesn't happen, the UEF's propagandists would have a field day with the GTVA bringing in aliens to brutalize their fellow humans.

 

Offline CT27

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
On a lighter note:

I'm relatively new to the forums here, but I did read someone joking years ago the Vasudans liked fish or something.  Maybe offer to build Khonsu II an aquarium in exchange for the help of a few Hatshepsuts in Sol? ;)

 

Offline -Norbert-

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That must be one monstrously big aquarium...

 

Offline CT27

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
To play devil's advocate for what Steele did (not agreeing with what he did, just trying to understand Steele's justification):

Doesn't the Geneva Convention allow for the execution of spies/those convicted of espionage?  Steele might say what the Elder was doing to an extent (trying to break up the GTVA).  If the Elder was trying to conduct secret negotiations with the Vasudans, is it that surprising that Steele would try to stop the Elder from making it?

Or to put it another way:  what should Steele/GTVA have done when they found out the UEF was trying to break up the GTVA via secret talks?  Should they have just tried to capture the Elder instead?

 

Offline FireSpawn

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
It would have helped them regain some of the political highground they lost when they started nuking civilians.


How I think the radio transmision would havr gone while it's being streamed to the rest of the GTVA:
"Sure we reduced a large number of women an children to their base atomic particles, but look! We're keeping this old guy alive, we aren't the bad gu-SOMEONE DUCT TAPE THAT OLD BASTARD DOWN NOW! I DON'T CARE IF HE NEEDS HIS PILLS, DO IT!"

If you hit it and it bleeds, you can kill it. If you hit it and it doesn't bleed...You are obviously not hitting hard enough.

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Offline Jellyfish

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
It would have helped them regain some of the political highground they lost when they started nuking civilians.
Or rather, attacking military targets that were surrounded by civilians. Behold, the Grey Area?
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Offline Ravenholme

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
It would have helped them regain some of the political highground they lost when they started nuking civilians.
Or rather, attacking military targets that were surrounded by civilians. Behold, the Grey Area?

Military targets, that if destroyed and caused the UEF to capitulate, would have meant that those civilian casualties would have been less than those incurred in the long run.

So, indeed - Behold, the Grey Area.
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Offline Mars

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
It would have helped them regain some of the political highground they lost when they started nuking civilians.
Or rather, attacking military targets that were surrounded by civilians. Behold, the Grey Area?

Military targets, that if destroyed and caused the UEF to capitulate, would have meant that those civilian casualties would have been less than those incurred in the long run.

So, indeed - Behold, the Grey Area.

Thus ending a war theoretically much more quickly that could have dragged on for years had he not; possibly saving many lives.

Steele is a consequentialist hero.

 

Offline -Norbert-

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
To play devil's advocate for what Steele did (not agreeing with what he did, just trying to understand Steele's justification):

Doesn't the Geneva Convention allow for the execution of spies/those convicted of espionage?  Steele might say what the Elder was doing to an extent (trying to break up the GTVA).  If the Elder was trying to conduct secret negotiations with the Vasudans, is it that surprising that Steele would try to stop the Elder from making it?

Or to put it another way:  what should Steele/GTVA have done when they found out the UEF was trying to break up the GTVA via secret talks?  Should they have just tried to capture the Elder instead?
First off, taking the Elder captive was out of the question. Steele tried (and apperently succeded) in making it look as if the UEF was trying to manipulate the Vasudans with the help of the Gefs. He made the Vasudans believe the assasination was just another plot by the Elders and that the video recordings were just forgeries.
If he then sends out some kind of demand to the UEF, that they have to fullfill, to get their Elder back, it would ruin that deception and probably cause a major political crisis between the Terrans and Vasudans.


As for the bombing of Luna, that is one thing we can't blame on Steele. That attack was the last order that Admiral Severanti gave in Sol (probably to try and save what was left of his career). If they really wanted to, the GTVA could probably blame the whole attack on him and say it was never officially endorsed.

 

Offline AtomicClucker

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
To play devil's advocate for what Steele did (not agreeing with what he did, just trying to understand Steele's justification):

Doesn't the Geneva Convention allow for the execution of spies/those convicted of espionage?  Steele might say what the Elder was doing to an extent (trying to break up the GTVA).  If the Elder was trying to conduct secret negotiations with the Vasudans, is it that surprising that Steele would try to stop the Elder from making it?

Or to put it another way:  what should Steele/GTVA have done when they found out the UEF was trying to break up the GTVA via secret talks?  Should they have just tried to capture the Elder instead?
First off, taking the Elder captive was out of the question. Steele tried (and apperently succeded) in making it look as if the UEF was trying to manipulate the Vasudans with the help of the Gefs. He made the Vasudans believe the assasination was just another plot by the Elders and that the video recordings were just forgeries.
If he then sends out some kind of demand to the UEF, that they have to fullfill, to get their Elder back, it would ruin that deception and probably cause a major political crisis between the Terrans and Vasudans.


As for the bombing of Luna, that is one thing we can't blame on Steele. That attack was the last order that Admiral Severanti gave in Sol (probably to try and save what was left of his career). If they really wanted to, the GTVA could probably blame the whole attack on him and say it was never officially endorsed.

Well, Severanti had done a pretty good job or turning himself into a butt monkey for that to happen. Not too mention nearly scrapping his destroyer and losing most of his escort forces in the process as well.
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Offline FireSpawn

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
If only the UEF had Holley as a pilot....
If you hit it and it bleeds, you can kill it. If you hit it and it doesn't bleed...You are obviously not hitting hard enough.

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Offline Jellyfish

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
She would've gotten herself killed, ultimately affecting nothing. Cue The E's argument of scale: UEF pilots die in droves every day, and still the war goes on.
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Offline Qent

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
A block 4 Karuna in berserk mode might be just enough to turn the tide. On the other hand, most UEF weapons are very likely incompatible with berserk mode because of OPness issues. :(

 

Offline FireSpawn

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
She would've gotten herself killed, ultimately affecting nothing. Cue The E's argument of scale: UEF pilots die in droves every day, and still the war goes on.

Yeah, but she uses Tacos as WMDs and doesn't afraid of anything.
If you hit it and it bleeds, you can kill it. If you hit it and it doesn't bleed...You are obviously not hitting hard enough.

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Offline Jellyfish

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
A block 4 Karuna in berserk mode might be just enough to turn the tide. On the other hand, most UEF weapons are very likely incompatible with berserk mode because of OPness issues. :(
Yeah, but she uses Tacos as WMDs and doesn't afraid of anything.
I'm sure Steele has contingencies for both events.
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Offline redsniper

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Steele is the first and second beta tester.
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Steele is Gendo :p

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Offline FireSpawn

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Steele is Gendo :p

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If you hit it and it bleeds, you can kill it. If you hit it and it doesn't bleed...You are obviously not hitting hard enough.

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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

 

Offline Dragon

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I'm sure Steele has contingencies for both events.
Not only that, he has contingencies for UEF having contingencies for his contingencies.  :)