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Offline The E

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Dekker: Remember what I said about scale? You just demonstrated that you have absolutely no ****ing clue about it.

Locating cargo depots is easy, because all you have to look for is for subspace exits. The depots we've seen so far have all been in rather empty areas of space, away from big radiation sources like a sun. By putting something so near to a star, you can pretty much guarantee that any signal emanating from your position will be scrambled to hell. Yes, Daedalus is massive compared to anything else humans have put into space. But compared to the Sun, it is still less than nothing. Yes, it has an energy output. But compared to the Sun, it is negligible, and lost in the noise.

So, Dekker, please remember that we're playing by semi-realistic rules in BP, not the GTVA-Wankfest rules you want to have.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Nah, SOC is too busy murdering civilians leaders to worry about practical military targets.
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
As of now I thought the murder of the elder was ordered and carried out by Steeles men, Serkr like guys in stealthies...
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I have been confirmed a while ago on IRC by a BP team member that the Pegasi in Deals in Shadows were SOC pilots. I'm pretty sure that a man the importance of Steele can request SOC support for such sensitive situations.

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
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Handbags out?

Well excuuuuuuuse me ;)

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
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Handbags out?

Well excuuuuuuuse me ;)

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Ha, wasn't even a Queen.  That'd be the Imperiouse or Serkr Group, methinks.  The Carthage would be some other power piece, yes, but not the Queen.
I actually meant the Imperieuse when I talked about the Queen.
Pretending the Queen is out of the game and promote the Carthage for the time being, it is the perfect bait, 'cause, as we know, the UEF wanted desperatly to deal a heavy blow to the TEVs...Damn shame Steele lured them into his trap.

Considering the Deadalus base...the Tevs are able to jump meson bombs, while they won't send a meson bomb to said base and demand them to stand down, what about a realy huge EMP?
We know the Tevs got EMP missiles, but what about a meson bomb sized EMP warhead, which would simply disable the whole defensive systems, so they can jump in and destroy them?
And does that mean that the UEF has Mjolnir like torpedo platforms?

Wouldn't an EMP risk damaging the heat shields? the Tevs want that plant badly

not to mention shutting off the containment for the antimatter....


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Offline CaptJosh

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I didn't say they should scramble a rescue I just thought it would be cruel of them to get that transmission, call up the Fedayeen and then not even radio the indus to say 'hey pal, help is on the way'

Oh yes, lets send a transmission to a dying ship to let them know we're coming to get them when we know the enemy can intercept such messages...  :rolleyes:
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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Nah, SOC is too busy murdering civilians leaders to worry about practical military targets.
Civilian leaders with a highly infectious and dangerous phylosophy, that can't be allowed to survive the war.
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Offline Drogoth

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I didn't say they should scramble a rescue I just thought it would be cruel of them to get that transmission, call up the Fedayeen and then not even radio the indus to say 'hey pal, help is on the way'

Oh yes, lets send a transmission to a dying ship to let them know we're coming to get them when we know the enemy can intercept such messages...  :rolleyes:

The same way the enemy can detect the omnidirectional 'OMFG HELP US WE'RE DYING' transmission. The Indus just escaped a major ambush. There is bounty on the pilots heads. You don't think steele would want them alive? Comon now, what would've happened if the Masyaf (sp?) jumped in, launched its shuttles and then a corvette pack exited subspace guns at the ready? one transmission to the indus to shut them up would be smarter - by your OWN logic of the risk of GTVA interception

Didn't we just get done discussing the fact that suns are noisy places with lots of radiation? The odds of the tevs intercepting that transmission are slim to none.

Nah, SOC is too busy murdering civilians leaders to worry about practical military targets.

I wonder what the Fedayeen does? Their tech entry is pretty shady.

Also which ship is named after snipes? I mustve missed it, can someone let me know? :) thanks
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I didn't say they should scramble a rescue I just thought it would be cruel of them to get that transmission, call up the Fedayeen and then not even radio the indus to say 'hey pal, help is on the way'
For 99% of the UEF, Fedayeen are nothing more than a rumour. Makes it unlikely for anyone to just "call them up" :p

Also which ship is named after snipes? I mustve missed it, can someone let me know? :) thanks
A Deimos corvette in the Artemis Station intro has the ship name and nameplate GTCv Snipes. However since the ship is barely seen from far away in the cutscene and I don't think its nameplate is visible at all due to LODs, the canonicity of this is debatable (and may have already been debated, someone from the BP team might have said "if it's in the files, it's canon" at some point)
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Offline Drogoth

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Ah ok thanks. Even if it is Snipes, doesn't mean hes dead. Wasn't Christopher Snipes his codename?

NEW CONSPIRACY THEORY: STEELE IS SNIPES

Probably not though, I'm just to lazy at this time of night to go read Steele's tech room files.

And if Daedelus base is so friggen beastly and secure, not to mention important, I'm going to assume that the odds of someone high up in the station's command structure knowing of the Fedayeen's existence is measurably higher then your average UEF station. Personal opinion though.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Oh, and I once asked on IRC how strong the defenses of the Mercury antimatter factory were, and the answer was along the lines of "what do you think the Masyaf was defending when they received the Indus distress call".

Since "listening is [their]... speciality", I don't think anyone else than the Masyaf around Daedalus ever received the distress call against the sun's noise to begin with.
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666maslo666: Releasing a finished product is not a good thing! It is a modern fad.

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Axem: when you put it like that, i sound like an insane person

bigchunk1: it's not retarded it's american!
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batwota: steele's maneuvering for the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: you mispelled grâce
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batwota: oh right :P
Darius: ah!
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MatthTheGeek: the way you just spelled it it means fat
Awaesaar: +accent I forgot how to keyboard
MatthTheGeek: or grease
Darius: the killing fat!
Axem: jabba does the coup de gras
MatthTheGeek: XD
Axem: bring me solo and a cookie

 

Offline CaptJosh

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
A bounty is only useful if you're alive to spend it. The Tevs going in to get the Indus would most likely have been assessed as there being insufficient reward vs the risk involved. It's known as a cost/benefit analysis.
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Offline crizza

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Considering SOC, the secret project and the question if they've agent infiltrating the Feds.
They most likely have, 'cause there was one aboard the elders transport, so how deep have they infiltrated the Feds?
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
They most likely have, 'cause there was one aboard the elders transport.

I forgot about that. Bloody good point.

 

Offline -Norbert-

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Or maybe just really poor security, because they didn't think the GTVA would sink so low. Or most likely a UEF turncoat, rather than a GTVA infiltrator.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I'dsay both are as good as each other.

 

Offline CT27

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
I'm not so sure about the Vasudans.
First off, they are a bit of a wildcard. They have their own mindset and have a few things in common with the UEF. There is always the possibility that they might sympatise a bit too much with them, if they enter the conflict. On top of that it puts them in a better position to find out the truth about the supposed betrayal by the UEF, and if that happens, the GTVA will have a really bad crisis on their hand.
Furthermore it sends the signal that the Terrans can't defeat the UEF on their own, which puts the whole "Only we can protect our species from the Shivans" thing in question. If they can't even defeat an enemy they called unfit to survive in the universe on their own, how are they supposed to save mankind from the destroyers?

Another aspect concerning GTVA strategy:  Norbert made a good point here.

How should the Vasudans be engaged by the GTVA Terrans?  Should the Vasudans be kept at a relative distance from the conflict so they don't find out about some of the stuff Steele did?  Or is there some way to get more Vasudan assistance in this war to bring it to a close?

 

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Re: What should the GTVA's strategy be?
Strap 'em to the outside of the hull of GTVA ships and use them as armour.  :cool:
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